Serato joins up with Pioneer

The team at Serato has been working with pioneer to fully integrate their CDJ-400 Dj player with Scratch live. This means full control over Scratch live’s features by a CDJ-400 through a USB connection. Currently any CD player can be used to control scratch live with a control CD but allowing direct digital control offers the following benefits according to a press release sent to us yesterday.

The relationship provides instant control of Scratch LIVE from the transport and function buttons of the Pioneer CDJ-400. Song information is also sent from Scratch LIVE to the Pioneer CDJ-400. The DJ can now view song, artist and album names as well as BPM and time positions on the CDJ-400’s display.

When using Scratch LIVE with the CDJ-400, the USB connection is totally dedicated to control. Any movement or touch of the CDJ jog wheel is communicated directly to the Scratch LIVE Virtual Deck.

“The best results are achieved with co-engineered hardware and software in our experience,” reports Serato General Manager, Sam Gribben, “There’s no set up required for the customer and we can deliver the tightest performance possible on gear that really works”.

The CDJ-400 was the first cd player in the pioneer line that supports MIDI output making it compatible with most dj software. This combination however, chose not to use MIDI, instead relying on the HID format we explained in this article.

Scratch LIVE 1.8.2 recognizes the Pioneer CDJ-400 controls using the robustness of the HID protocol. Serato Audio Research found that MIDI alone is not responsive or robust enough when predicting platter movements from performance DJs.

All you need to do is install the latest:
Serato Scratch LIVE 1.8.2 software

Pioneer CDJ-400 1.3 firmware.
The upgrades are provided by both companies at no charge for existing owners.

Its going to be interesting to see what these 2 cook up in the future. if they team up for more than just this project some big things could come out of that combo in the coming years.

  • Anonymous

    The CDJ-400 has a USB soundcard built in. It works with software like Virtual DJ, Serato, PCDJ and Traktor. It’s everything you said Pioneer should live up to, no longer stuck in the 90’s. I think its a good first offering for this decade anyway.

    DJ RuDeDoGG

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment=””][quote comment=””] it makes me scratch my head why they don’t release a CDJ with USB including soundcard in the deck, so you don’t NEED A SERATO BOX! this would be so great. No more unplugging the CDJs to plus your channel into a club mixer 🙂
    [/quote]

    Sorry but the CDJ 400 Act like an usb Soundcard when you plug it on your computer.
    It act like a soundcard when you use it with other software like Virtual DJ. The limitation with serato is due to the scratch live software itself which is test the Serato box before running, in my opinion it’s a kind of protection against piracy.
    So I’m dreaming about a Serato Itch Software dedicated to the CDJ400.[/quote]

  • DJPaco

    [quote comment=""] it makes me scratch my head why they don't release a CDJ with USB including soundcard in the deck, so you don't NEED A SERATO BOX! this would be so great. No more unplugging the CDJs to plus your channel into a club mixer 🙂

    [/quote]

    Sorry but the CDJ 400 Act like an usb Soundcard when you plug it on your computer.

    It act like a soundcard when you use it with other software like Virtual DJ. The limitation with serato is due to the scratch live software itself which is test the Serato box before running, in my opinion it's a kind of protection against piracy.

    So I'm dreaming about a Serato Itch Software dedicated to the CDJ400.

  • Once a standard is decided on that does not involve PIONEER who’s digital offerings have been lame half-assed attempts of bridging aging product lines that are very lucrative (for them) with technology like this which is proprietary, poorly documented and limiting in choice of software.

    If HD Midi does make it to a real IEEE standard like USB -> USB2.0 then that’s useful. There is no reason why HD midi could not be backwards compatible to fall back to standard midi control if HD is not available on the other device.

    I am surprised at Pioneer with the lack of quality software-hardware DJ products so far this year. For those of us not stuck in the 90s with CDJs as our only tool, it makes me scratch my head why they don’t release a CDJ with USB including soundcard in the deck, so you don’t NEED A SERATO BOX! this would be so great. No more unplugging the CDJs to plus your channel into a club mixer 🙂
    I don’t even want to imagine what kind of weird proptiatary stuff it has where as dealing with some other “digitaL” products left me scratching my head:
    Perfect example of classic pioneer BS: CDJ 1000s use SPDIF outputs which was a big selling point… “OOoh they have DIGITAL OUT SO YOUR WHOLE MIX CAN BE ONE DIDIGAL STREAM!” Then the DJM-800 Mixer with DIGITAL INPUTS AND DIGITAL FX BLAH BLAH uses A frigging optical interface which DOES NOT WORK WITH THE CDJs’ SPDIF output. If they can’t get that right I seriously hope Serato is able to carry old decrepit pioneer on it’s back to the infirmary.

  • It certainly isn't marketing hype that HID is better – i personally think its a good move using HID data – its higher resolution, higher bandwidth, lower latency, far more "plug and playable" and is very stable.

    The big backlash of this though is that of course if its sending HID data then its not going to work with other software without translators and possible loss of certain functionality (for example track information of whats playing).

    The sooner the HD midi specification comes out the better off we will all be.

  • [quote comment=""]Two heads work-out problems better than one. Poor poor old MIDI standard(poor poor fat OSC). Hopefully, there won't be too much de-standardization with this new custom-protocole-per-manufacturer! (remember BlueRay? Remember CDs? DVD+R,DVD-R).

    Proprietary bollocks.[/quote]

    If they would just get the fing HD-midi protocol finished soon then we would probably all be using that. But, it's been taking years for them to redo a standard that has been around for forever. They need to hurry it up or no one is going to use it in the future.

  • Two heads work-out problems better than one. Poor poor old MIDI standard(poor poor fat OSC). Hopefully, there won't be too much de-standardization with this new custom-protocole-per-manufacturer! (remember BlueRay? Remember CDs? DVD+R,DVD-R).

    Proprietary bollocks.