$25 MIDI PAD

An inexpensive way to add advanced midi technology to a simple controller

One of our active users, Matt, brought this great little device to our attention. Its a stick on touch pad that is designed to duplicate a mouse surface on your keyboard. Great for your Aunt sally’s desk job but its not quite enough to get djs in a tizzy. However, if you consider that this device is a HID (or human interface device) and you happen to know about a handy little program called Junxion. Well, then wheels start turning very quickly and my nerd side runs around the house excitedly. You see, Junxion will take ANY HID and turn it into very usable midi data. Translation. Stick this bad boy on your midi controller, program it with a HID to MIDI software program and bingo- instant X/Y pad on any midi controller.

the software converter options

Multi- Control

Stand alone OSX app, free? Difficulty: 6 (1-10)

AVR HID to MIDI

OSX? Free- requires MAX MSP. It looks simple but I have never used max MSP could be for the really hardcore.

Controller mate

OSX, shareware Difficulty 8 (1-10) wow this thing can do ANYTHING if you know how to program it. downside- only out puts keystrokes so NO continuous controller data.

Junxion

OSX, VERY EXPENSIVE ($60) difficulty 4 (1-10) this one is easy to use and powerful but pricey.

M-JOY– or MI-JOY (who ripped off who?)

these look to be the best for WIN people- no more info though

Rejoice

WIN- many people said this was good and free but the makers have been kidnapped by spam sites but we tracked down a direct link to an old installer- USE WITH CAUTION!

MIDI-Joystick

WIN- no info.

Props must go to the ever informative Create digital folks and Peter Kirn. Their forum was the source of much of the above info .

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  • Tu Ginecologo

    where can i buy a xy midi pad?, i want one for my guitar

  • z0r

    thanks for pointing out the possibility of converting HID to Midi.

    i’m now using my street fighter arcade stick and my xbox360 controller as midi controllers 🙂

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  • Anonymous

    [quote comment=””][…] for knob/fader data you need to convert the message using a program like Junxion[/quote]

    OK! I see. Controller Mate and MultiControl do the same..? but less expensive. did you compare thses 3 converters?
    U-HID has 50 inputs, MultiControl has only 20 ! how increase bthe number of inputs?

  • BentoSan

    [quote comment=”20705″]anyone can tell me if only a U-HID can control Ableton Live/quote]

    For button presses you can make the u-hid send out keyboard strokes, but for knob/fader data you need to convert the message using a program like Junxion.

    Also thank you for pointing out those broken links, i have fixed them 🙂

  • kaillout

    anyone can tell me if only a U-HID can control Ableton Live or if I have to get a software converter like Junxion to transform HID inputs to MIDI ???
    do you know a software converter less expensive (and even less complicated, less fonctions) than Junxion please ??? thank you

  • kaillout

    Hi

    your links for Multi -Control and for Junxion are broken !!!
    thanks

  • steve

    Anyone know how to get ableton to work with this so that anytime you focus on an XY pad in ableton it auto configures to the pad? IE, not having to set up the XY midi mapping each time you use a different XY pad in ableton…

  • steve

    So this touchpad is not synaptics so it won’t work with a couple of plug-ins….any other disadvantages? Especially using it with ableton on a PC?

  • jordan

    Hi, im trying to use a dual ps2 controller via usb, to do a midi interface, but i dont know if i could.

    Can anyone help me??

    sorry 4 my english

  • Ketil Jensen

    Thank’s for the tip.

    I am currently looking into running Ableton from an Asus Eee Top (touch screen with sensitivity) where i am going to program an small application that emulates an midi controller. I will then run Ableton on an external screen and use the eee top’s screen as a midi surface 🙂

  • compaq

    Does anyone know how something like this product could work in an Ableton Live setup?

    yes. is so easy to use any midi controller in ableton. the mapping sistem is amaizing

  • compaq

    hi everybody i use the vmidijoy with a $14 dls game controller like a midi controller and works amaizing whit ableton in pc, but you have to install also midijoke to get a virtual midi port. i have 2 real midi controllers but for some reason you never gonna have all the bottons you need.

  • Ean Golden

    Hey Tobami, thanks for the Johny Chung Lee link. That is really great stuff.

  • Jonny Pez

    Does anyone know how something like this product could work in an Ableton Live setup?

  • Dan

    Sooooo…can I just plug this thing into my mac mini and it will be recognized as a midi controller? Or no? Do I need to use control aid or MAX MSP? Does the software that comes with it provide the protocol to a) make this work as a track pad and b) allow this to be a midi controller?

  • Fatlimey

    Got to love that price. I just got back from watching Moldover's two YouTube videos. Excellent visual description of "Smart Mixer" push-down compression. An inspirational tutorial all round.

  • tobamai

    Sorry guys, I thought I posted here yesterday… but I don't see it now, so it must not have gone through.

    These touchpads are not synaptics, so they don't work with glovepie or live lab's touchpad2midi vst plugin. If you're running a laptop, but you're not sure what kind of touchpad you have, you probably have a synaptics touchpad on it — go ahead and try the touchpad2midi plugin, if it works you do and if it doesn't… well, you don't, duh!

    Yeah, you could probably hack it to do two finger playlist scrolling when it recognizes more surface area than a normal one finger touch. I think the new macbooks have multitouch pads so you could actually detect two fingers. I think it'd be great to use that to say nudge forward and backward with a two finger rotation gesture. Sorry, I don't have a macbook to try this.

    By the way, P1554NT mentioned the wii-mote, have you guys seen what Johnny Chung Lee is doing with them?

    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/projects/wii/

    Great stuff! I don't think it's useful in a club because it uses the ir functions… so you can't rely on the clubs lighting not messing it up, but awesome none the less.

  • Editor

    <blockquote cite="#comment-699">Sorry about the noob question but: What is "X/Y pad" how is the function of that? – thanks

    the idea is that you can control 2 functions in the software with one surface. as you move your hand to the right- The X Axis controls one function (like FX mix). Then as you also move your hand down the pad- Y controls another function like loop length.

  • p1554nt

    What about GlovePIE?! Latest version has synaptics support, where you can actually measure how much area a finger is taking up on the pad, similar to pressure. I’ve actually mailed the ergonomic touchpad guys trying to find out if these are synaptics. If they are, they’re perfect for glovePIE and livelab’s vst plugin.

    Everyone I know who’s used a korg kaoss pad has really liked it. I think it’s all in the interface. This could be a cheap way to get the same great interface.

    glovepie is great. using it to use a wiimote for traktor.
    in a week i am getting my snes advantage teamed up w/ my wiimote & my dm2. all toys maped to midi.

    btw. i suport the idea of forums here.
    thanx for everything ean

  • DJ Elvis

    Soy about anonymous post above – here am I

  • Anonymous

    Sorry about the noob question but: What is "X/Y pad" how is the function of that? – thanks

  • Ean Golden

    <blockquote cite="#comment-682">What about GlovePIE?! Latest version has synaptics support, where you can actually measure how much area a finger is taking up on the pad, similar to pressure.

    now thats DOPE! let us know 🙂 :-)– p.s. if they can do area support like that then it should recognize if you are putting 2 fingers down- 2 finger dj scroll anyone???

  • tobamai

    What about GlovePIE?! Latest version has synaptics support, where you can actually measure how much area a finger is taking up on the pad, similar to pressure. I've actually mailed the ergonomic touchpad guys trying to find out if these are synaptics. If they are, they're perfect for glovePIE and livelab's vst plugin.

    Everyone I know who's used a korg kaoss pad has really liked it. I think it's all in the interface. This could be a cheap way to get the same great interface.

  • Alex

    M-JOY- or MI-JOY (who ripped off who?)

    Well, it seems that Virtuasonic's MIJOY was published before mJoy.

  • Chris Wright

    There's a lot of devices used for custom midi manipulation nintendo DS, wii-mote, kaos pad kp3, graphics tablets, and various joysticks among other things. Most I've seen used for either x/y effects or pseudo scratching. The more I visit this site the more I'm realizing you guys really should add that forum that was previously talked about so stuff like this could be discussed more.

  • Editor

    Thats true and lots of people have been using wacoms for midi I believe. Great suggestions,

  • Chris Wright

    A wacom all though even more expensive would probably work even better because it's pressure sensitive.

  • dIm

    also check out http://www.livelab.dk/ it uses your Synaptics touchpad on your laptop as a MIDI controller. VST plugin and standalone. By pressing the buttons of your touch pad you can change midi controllers values like you do Ean with the Vci in Traktor chanching pages.