The Dawn of a New Pioneer?

Pioneer innovated and struck gold with its CDJ line of CD players more than 10 years ago. Since that time they have dominated the CD DJ industry and achieved the elusive goal of  becoming an “industry standard.”  Today, CDJ sales are declining, laptops are in every club and controllers are blowing up. Pioneer needs to put out something big soon, or they may miss this boat entirely.  Taking a step in the big direction, their press team has been building up the hype about a “new species” of CDJs that will be released on wed of this week that they hope will be their ace up the sleeve. What can you expect? Lets look at what we know so far.

A CDJ-2000

(The image above is not official, but is a render that is consistent with a promo teaser released by Pioneer bellow)

The most telling bits of information come from the cryptic artist interviews found on Djsounds.com. From those six interviews and information gathered from reliable sources, we are fairly confident this is what you might expect to see from Pioneer’s CDJ-2000 tomorrow afternoon.

*A similar format as the CDJ-1000 but with a few ergonomic tweaks.
*Will feature a built-in LCD screen for track browsing (possibly touch-sensitive).
* The screen will be angled like Pioneer’s VDJ series.

*Built-in FX (Pioneer is going to have to counter software FX somehow).

*Instead of bringing CDs to the club, DJs can bring a USB flash drive which contains tracks, playlists and track metadata.
*The flash drive will plug directly into the CDJ.
*You will be able to scroll through tracks and view waveforms, cue points, and loops directly on the interface.
*Pioneer will release a custom piece of software that will be used for:

  • setting loops, cues and possibly making edits on tracks in advance
  • organizing songs into playlists
  • managing the music collection
  • loading tracks onto a flash drive for the road

The Gamble

Pioneer is confident that DJs don’t want to bring laptops into clubs, and that by giving them the core features offered by basic software–in a hardware environment–that DJs will ditch the software and stick with dedicated hardware. It’s a gutsy move, given the power of a computer and the rising popularity of controllers. To an extent, Pioneer is correct: Controllers will need to perform more like dedicated hardware before they can truly replace the turntable. So why not circumvent the computer/controller paradigm and make dedicated hardware that works like a computer but is more reliable and user friendly? For many people, this is going to be an attractive option, offering as one dj put it, “the best of both worlds.”

The Problem

In order for the gamble to work, Pioneer will have to strike gold again by creating a new industry standard–and fast. This product will have to be so compelling that a large percentage of DJs and the majority of clubs are willing to jump on board and upgrade their equipment immediately. Unless the CDJ-2000 becomes an industry-standard install in most clubs, the core concept will have a hard time getting traction. Imagine if you get on board, invest $3k in new players and spend the next two months organizing your music on the system. Unless you’re a top touring DJ who can require specific equipment in a rider, then chances are most clubs wont have the gear you need for a while. That means bringing your own equipment into the club, and then we end up with the situation Paul Woolford describes in this interview as the “20-minute gap of confusion” when DJs change over between laptop setups. He is absolutely right; that gap of energy when the booth becomes a nervous bin of distracting energy is not good for the dance floor. Can a new breed of industry standard equipment solve that problem? Possibly, but it could also be effectively handled by building DJ booths designed for today’s equipment and teaching DJs how to deal with a change-over professionally (that article is in the works).

The Rumor

The rumor has it that there will also be a smaller CDJ player, probably a CDJ-300, aimed at the controller market, including a Kaoss Pad-style interface and full MIDI capacity. While I would love to speculate on this possibility, we are just going to have to wait until tomorrow to see what else Pioneer has hiding up its sleeve. While, we don’t expect anything earth shattering to come out of this announcement for the controller market- I will be excited to see if they can innovate and change up the game again.

Editor’s note: Pioneer could not be reached in time for a comment on this article.

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  • PJ Villaflor

    Wasn’t the CDJ-300, the first CDJ in 1992?

  • Gray Chris

    hi do i need both cables for cdj2000 to djm 800 digital and twin phono or is it just the 1 cable

  • Gray Chris

    hi do i need both cables for cdj2000 to djm 800 digital and twin phono or is it just the 1 cable

  • yanuar

    let””””””’s the information of pioneer machine disc jokey on this website or another site

  • And what of it?

    [quote comment=”25617″]Why didnt pioneer just update the 1000? Like making a (decent) spinning platter, or adding USB ports so you can just bring USB pens to a gig instead of constantly burning off CD’s. Normally it’s little changes companies address whilst keeping prices reasonable that sell a new product, not going totally overboard like this. It’s the equivalent of building a V20 15 litre quadruple turbo engine when the petrol has nearly run out. It’s laughable.[/quote]

    Just seen they got the USB thing, but still it’s a bit over kill with all the other things going on on the screen

  • And what of it?

    Why didnt pioneer just update the 1000? Like making a (decent) spinning platter, or adding USB ports so you can just bring USB pens to a gig instead of constantly burning off CD’s. Normally it’s little changes companies address whilst keeping prices reasonable that sell a new product, not going totally overboard like this. It’s the equivalent of building a V20 15 litre quadruple turbo engine when the petrol has nearly run out. It’s laughable.

  • Alex

    This is the best idea that Pioneer came up with??? 3000 for a CDJ is not appealing, but just a waste of money.

    For crying outloud…. I rather spend that money on a VCI300 before messing with that big mess.

  • DJ Rodrigo SM

    Here’s a step in what I think is the right direction:
    http://www.denondj.com/DN-X1700-P112.aspx
    I reckon it might lack some scratcher appeal, but, seems to me, you could just roll up to the gig with your laptop, plug it in and control audio with (a) existing CDJs, (b) turntables and control records (c) the mixer itself, (d) a controller you brought with you or (e) any combination of the mentioned gear.
    What it lacks is a way to act as a host for CDJs that double as controllers, such as Pioneer’s own CDJ 400. I know that’s hard to implement, but, if anything, it’s one less converter ni the audio chain.
    Will we see the day Serato Scratch Live will be able to interface with this WITHOUT the box?

  • baaad santa

    @Jerry
    Santos Party House. Booking are (usually) done through Mean Red. Check out the website for details. Can’t promise you a gig, but always interested in hearing new djs…

  • jerry

    What club do you own Baaad Santa? I’m in Nyc lookin” for a gig. I have my Mac, My Audio8 and My Vestax…oh, not to forget Traktor. The guys at Techtools are constantly improving the vci100 functionality with Traktor. Why bother spending large sums of money on cdj’s. Ean and Techtools should work on a next gen Vestax controller. I think that would be the answer to most of our concerns.

  • jerry

    whats wrong with a Macprobook an Audio8 and a Vestax vci 100 se.

  • baaad santa

    I own a club in NYC, and I can assure you we will NOT be purchasing these. Why? Computers are way more powerful and even more portable. Software handles the heavy lifting, and combined with controllers, you get the same visceral experience as DJing old school style. Software will continue to improve at a pace that dedicated hardware can’t match (dollar for dollar), and controller/hybrids will remain cheap and dedicated to MIDI tasks. I think the real move will be when Apple teams up with NI or somebody else and decides to put an extra sound card in their gear or further consolidate the computer-controller alliance in ways we can’t imagine yet.
    Additionally, this device necessitates an extra step: why take my music off my computer and its very easy to read screen/info set up, and put it on some USB drive? Just bring your computer. I do agree that clubs will make it easier to accommodate the laptop dj, by putting in dedicated sound cards like the audio 8 and quick connectors to avoid any lag when switching over. At least, that’s what we’re doing.

  • JuNKy StEpZ

    [quote comment=””][…] predicted, Pioneer has released their answer to the emerging controller market, the CDJ-2000.  Its an […][/quote]
    [quote comment=”21582″]I think the issue with breaking through is going to be the pricing, which keeps the new Pioneer out of the reach of “normal” djs, thus failing in becoming a standard. Idea of a laptop-less digital dj setup sounds great.[/quote]

    To become standard, indeed the price is probably most important here. As everybody knows Pioneer, the usability is probably 9 out of 10. It looks like a crazily complicated beast, this 2000. But I’d be well up for having Djs rocking like nuts on something like that than staring at a computer screen. The “Needle Drop” feature got me right on!!!

  • James D

    The Gizmodo link is being redirected now but I got the article in my RSS reader. The CDJ 2000 is basically exactly like the mockup at the top of the article.

    Here’s the punchline though:
    “The CDJ-2000 will be available in November 2009 with a suggested retail price of $2,150.

    The CDJ-900 will be available in December 2009 with a suggested retail price of $1,600.”

  • Jon

    Few more hours. :)!!!

  • Markku Uttula

    I’ve updated my earlier image (the one that seems to be used on top of this article, thank you – I feel honored) with some details from that “CDJ-2000” concept rendering. Reason for this is that interestingly, nothing in that concept picture strikes me as “odd”, so it might very well be pretty close to what the thing will turn out not to be completely unlike of. Another reason I think it looks promising is that this is the first time I’ve seen that concept, and the closer we get to the actual publication, the more actual tidbits of information start dropping in 🙂

    So… my final guess as to how the new player will look like when it is released later today can be found at http://www.disconova.com/dj.utu/cdj1000mk4_djtt.jpg

  • dj professor ben

    [quote comment=””]I believe this should be the way for Pioneer or any other manufacturers out there, to join their forces with Native Instruments as Serato does with RANE, and create a serious mixer / midi controller with sound card built-in connectable via firewire/usb. Another CDJ – in this digital era – will be in my opinion step-back.[/quote]
    I’ve got a better idea; how about Native Instruments does this without Pioneer? Seriously, they would know Traktor better than anyone and they’ve already got a proven track record in the necessary hardware, what would Pioneer really have to bring to the table?

  • DJ TAGER

    [quote comment=”21604″] … and also a traktor scratch certified sound card, such as the xone 4d. This would mean that djs wouldn’t have to bother lugging a soundcard and midi controller around with them… [/quote]

    [quote comment=”21617″]… What Pioneer REALLY oughta do is a mixer with an audio interface that sends and receives from every channel, and you could control that any way you wish. Look at the gigantic splash made by Rane’s TTM 57 SL some years back. Had they made it a 4 channel thing, which appeals to mix DJs as well as scrach people, we’d be very close to an industry standard, which is still lacking.[/quote]

    I’m absolutelly down with ROB E and DJ Rodrigo SM on this and I agree with most of the comments here – that are desribing this Pionner move as not so good or just maybe too late. I believe this should be the way for Pioneer or any other manufacturers out there, to join their forces with Native Instruments as Serato does with RANE, and create a serious mixer / midi controller with sound card built-in connectable via firewire/usb. Another CDJ – in this digital era – will be in my opinion step-back.

  • Dj Mike City

    This looks like BS! Just buy a denon hc-4500 controller and your set!

  • NZ

    Well, my Macbook even picks up girls)

  • celtic-dj

    great article…
    its good to see every one here agrees….

    i think were just about to move to the future of clubbing/sound manipulating and there is no way pioneer can stop this,,they need to join in…

    as a child i used to play tennis professionaly and every tennis player had his own Racquet ….you would have no chance competeing if you had to use a different raquet each time….

    technology allows us to have our own dj equipment ,and the first to enjoy this revolution are the clubbers world wide …

    the only reason pioneers still lives is because their are certain dj’s whoom havent converted their music to digital…and the new cdj’s force you to be digital anyways so at the end of the day pioneer are saying that the ‘cdj era’ is over…
    it makes no sense creating music on computers and then burning it on unrelyable cd’s…and then having bits of paper with bpm and cue times… “long live traktors waveform !!”

    i think pioneer have to make a standard midi controller to survive – there is no way arrround playing your music with your own familiar midi controller…(i am an ‘xponent’ user)

    the only problem i see with laptop dj’s is when im stonned my laptop seems to get stonned aswell…lol

    does this happen to you too?

  • Mauri Moore

    Denon 3700 – If Pioneer can do the same they will be the winner , because everybody knows PIoneer can do it better .

  • Mauri Moore

    [quote post=”2310″] I don’t want to use timecode. We need a midi device which allows the dj to take advantage of all of the features the dj software has to offer. [/quote]
    This baby was born , the name is DENON 3700

  • Anonymous

    NI already solved the ’20 minute gap’problem with their multicore cables, you can switch audio interfaces gapless with them. These should become club-standard!

    Problem is, most clubs still prefer to invest 3k on new Pioneer players, just for the sake that all these big name djs are positive about them(i.e. get payed), than getting 2 multicore cables for 60 euros. Tragic and dumb, but still reality.

  • duerr

    ^oops disregard that. sitcky quote button lol

    [quote comment=”anonymous”]
    i was so reading all these posts and thinking why arent people talking about a new mixer. A&H came up with the 3D then corrected it to the 4D with still problems for certain users. Pioneer could have targeted at competing there. Maybe without all the midi and just still a built in soundcard that was switchable between firewire and usb depending the laptop of the dj? if thats possible. Also there isnt a controller on the market that can control traktor with all 4 decks w/ efx and loops at once without switching layers and using modifiers.
    [/quote]

    word, there needs to be a controller with 4 platters and an adequate amount of knobs and faders to control fx,loops or eq (for those who mix internally).
    Now if a company released a package that was like a bundle of 3 seperate units; 2 platter/deck controllers(each with 2 platters for 4 deck control) and 1 mixer/fx controller that acted as a soundcard with multiple ins/outs and ports then I think that would simplify things a bit.

    As it is all of us digital djs have to haul around our own controllers and soundcards and laptops for gigs and it can be a bit of a hassle at the best of times.

  • duerr

    [quote comment=””][quote comment=”21617″]IMHO, people in general are looking at the wrong problem. People moved away from vinyl because it was heavy, time-limiting. For many years, CDs solved the problem, but not anymore. People wanted to bring 10,000 tracks for their 2 hour sets, so something else came along. What I’m getting at is this: the issue is, and has been, getting the music from it’s physical media (vinyl, silver disk or hard drive) to the speakers. What Pioneer REALLY oughta do is a mixer with an audio interface that sends and receives from every channel, and you could control that any way you wish. Look at the gigantic splash made by Rane’s TTM 57 SL some years back. Had they made it a 4 channel thing, which appeals to mix DJs as well as scrach people, we’d be very close to an industry standard, which is still lacking.[/quote]

    i was so reading all these posts and thinking why arent people talking about a new mixer. A&H came up with the 3D then corrected it to the 4D with still problems for certain users. Pioneer could have targeted at competing there. Maybe without all the midi and just still a built in soundcard that was switchable between firewire and usb depending the laptop of the dj? if thats possible. Also there isnt a controller on the market that can control traktor with all 4 decks w/ efx and loops at once without switching layers and using modifiers.

    what really excites me is that technics created a standard, pioneer created a standard, who in the industry has the potential of creating a new standard to suit the laptop dj? with software and controller developments increasing by the tenfold i think soon we will have a new standard. extremely exciting times.[/quote]

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment=”21617″]IMHO, people in general are looking at the wrong problem. People moved away from vinyl because it was heavy, time-limiting. For many years, CDs solved the problem, but not anymore. People wanted to bring 10,000 tracks for their 2 hour sets, so something else came along. What I’m getting at is this: the issue is, and has been, getting the music from it’s physical media (vinyl, silver disk or hard drive) to the speakers. What Pioneer REALLY oughta do is a mixer with an audio interface that sends and receives from every channel, and you could control that any way you wish. Look at the gigantic splash made by Rane’s TTM 57 SL some years back. Had they made it a 4 channel thing, which appeals to mix DJs as well as scrach people, we’d be very close to an industry standard, which is still lacking.[/quote]

    i was so reading all these posts and thinking why arent people talking about a new mixer. A&H came up with the 3D then corrected it to the 4D with still problems for certain users. Pioneer could have targeted at competing there. Maybe without all the midi and just still a built in soundcard that was switchable between firewire and usb depending the laptop of the dj? if thats possible. Also there isnt a controller on the market that can control traktor with all 4 decks w/ efx and loops at once without switching layers and using modifiers.

    what really excites me is that technics created a standard, pioneer created a standard, who in the industry has the potential of creating a new standard to suit the laptop dj? with software and controller developments increasing by the tenfold i think soon we will have a new standard. extremely exciting times.

  • Phil

    [quote comment=”21603″][quote post=”2310″]That means bringing your own equipment into the club, and then we end up with the situation Paul Woolford describes in this interview as the “20-minute gap of confusion” when DJs change over between laptop setups. He is absolutely right; that gap of energy when the booth becomes a nervous bin of distracting energy is not good for the dance floor. [/quote]

    I’m sorry. I’ve run an event for 3 years now in which most of the acts used laptops and I have not once seen a problem in switching between laptop setups. It’s a matter of having the connectors clearly marked, having a large enough booth to set up a new guy while the other finishes his set and so on. Simple planning is all it takes and the tech guys at clubs should be able to handle things just fine. There is no reason or excuse for a 20 minute gap.[/quote]
    Well that’s the point. Venues need to be educated about having organized patch bays and room enough for controllers. At LEAST have covers available for the turntables so I can rest my VCI there as opposed to moving the CDJs off their stands. As more and more DJs start coming to venues with laptops + controllers, the issues with transitioning between Vinyl, CDJs, Controllers, Traktor & Serato will begin to disappear.

  • duerr

    epic fail… like many others have pointed out, it’s the competitive price point that has really catapulted digital djing’s popularity.

    Pioneer needs to find a way to make a name for themselves in the growing digital dj market if they wish to remain relevant. Such a geezer move of them, I’m a little dissapointed.

  • E.X.P

    [quote comment=”21613″]http://i30.tinypic.com/9k9wtc.gif
    here is the CDJ-1000MK4

    from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN1wjG3QblA

    DJ TUTOR :D[/quote]
    [quote comment=””]What a flame)
    Ppl, may be Pioneer is using us for market research and there is NO any CDJ2000? Maybe they just want to know what to create next)[/quote]

    fake , the jogg on the graphic is too small

  • Treo730

    It will be interesting to see what kind of capacity this USB slot will be able to handle. I have a CDJ400 and it tends to get finicky with anything bigger than an 8gb stick, granted that’s alot of music, but the way these superstars dj talk about taking all their music with them in the teasers; I don’t see how, unless you can hook up an actual HD i.e.,passport, small, portable, and decent capacity. Plus the folders have to be setup in certain ways. We’ll just have to wait and see.

  • DJ Rodrigo SM

    IMHO, people in general are looking at the wrong problem. People moved away from vinyl because it was heavy, time-limiting. For many years, CDs solved the problem, but not anymore. People wanted to bring 10,000 tracks for their 2 hour sets, so something else came along. What I’m getting at is this: the issue is, and has been, getting the music from it’s physical media (vinyl, silver disk or hard drive) to the speakers. What Pioneer REALLY oughta do is a mixer with an audio interface that sends and receives from every channel, and you could control that any way you wish. Look at the gigantic splash made by Rane’s TTM 57 SL some years back. Had they made it a 4 channel thing, which appeals to mix DJs as well as scrach people, we’d be very close to an industry standard, which is still lacking.

  • NZ

    What a flame)
    Ppl, may be Pioneer is using us for market research and there is NO any CDJ2000? Maybe they just want to know what to create next)

  • Jeri_Jarko

    [quote comment=””]ahahah loook:
    [img]http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss292/AmpliFire007/mk4.jpg[/img][/quote]

    Good picture 😛

  • GianPaJ

    ahahah loook:
    [img]http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss292/AmpliFire007/mk4.jpg[/img]

  • Jay Blueprint

    I think the 20 minute gap they were talking about was the time the dj playing next is messing with wires and generally all up in the booth while the outgoing dj is still spinning.

    Good points have been made but don’t underestimate the convenience of bringing a simple jump drive to a gig. Whether or not you make loops or mess with the software is up to the dj but to simply mix, that’s all you really need. Music on a jump-drive.

    Also, DVS djs, including myself at one point, know the set-up and tear down of SSL. It sucks cause we’d arrive at 9 pm and sometimes stay as late as 3 am cause the promotor doesn’t want us messing with wires between dj’s.

    With what has been said and what I expect to be released, this is going to be in ALL the big clubs, some average sized clubs and none of the smaller lounges/bars.

    BUT, I do think that the lower-end model with USB support will see a surge in sales from it.

  • logikal

    I work at a major music retailer and Pioneer is really pumping this up. They think it will be the next best thing.
    I disagree. This move was too late for them. Laptops are cheaper and do way more. Traktor Pro on a laptop is already the new standard.

    Pioneer should be making hi end midi controllers if they want to stay in this game for the long term.

  • Punky

    Whatever they do, they better price it reasonably. Pioneer has a habit of charging an arm and a leg for their gear, and frankly, if they make this thing the same cost as a DVJ or something, no one’s going to buy into it, because it will be simply so damn cost prohibitive that it won’t stack up to a controller / laptop setup.

  • AcidBrain

    A CDJ screen will never compete with a laptop screen. A laptop with Traktor Pro should be industry standard in the DJ booth…DJ’s could even you could even use flash drives with it 😉

  • AcidBrain

    A CDJ screen it will never compete with a laptop screen. A laptop with Traktor Pro should be industry standard in the DJ booth…DJ’s could even you could even use flash drives with it 😉

  • Rob E

    Seems to me that the best thing to do would be to simply add a usb port to the cdj-1000 for djs who don’t want to use a laptop or burn cds anymore. Then to bring out a new version of the djm-800 with a dedicated midi control section tacked on, and also a traktor scratch certified sound card, such as the xone 4d. This would mean that djs wouldn’t have to bother lugging a soundcard and midi controller around with them. The main reason that the xone 3/4d hasn’t taken off in this sense is that it lacks in-built effects, so offers nothing to djs not using laptops, and no longer has the 4 band eq that lots of people loved. Pioneer could’ve had the best of both worlds focusing on an updated djm-800 instead.

  • Dave Richards

    [quote post=”2310″]That means bringing your own equipment into the club, and then we end up with the situation Paul Woolford describes in this interview as the “20-minute gap of confusion” when DJs change over between laptop setups. He is absolutely right; that gap of energy when the booth becomes a nervous bin of distracting energy is not good for the dance floor. [/quote]

    I’m sorry. I’ve run an event for 3 years now in which most of the acts used laptops and I have not once seen a problem in switching between laptop setups. It’s a matter of having the connectors clearly marked, having a large enough booth to set up a new guy while the other finishes his set and so on. Simple planning is all it takes and the tech guys at clubs should be able to handle things just fine. There is no reason or excuse for a 20 minute gap.

  • Quenepas

    I can only picture dedicated DJ’s, clubs and rich kids buying this stuff. For those starting up or that dont have the money, a good controller and Traktor with a somewhat ok computer is more than ok to get the crowd jumping up and down… And Im gonna get sentimental now, if it wasnt by software like Traktor, and a solid controller like my VCI-100 the “dj feel” of watching crowds dancing to whatever stuff you are playing would have been impossible. Messing with the tempo to watch people go faster is priceless.

  • Priscilla

    By the way the walkman and discman comment was made to reference moving forward to a new medium and not trying to polish and old medium and resell it.

  • Priscilla

    I agree with MrM,

    I see less and less people using cdj’s. It reminds me of Walkmans. Everyone was rocking those and then the Discman came out and the Walkmans went kaput (unless of course your a collector of nostalgic music players.

    I think cdj’s will only be successful if they revolutionize their hardware. And while the addition of software and the onboard screen display, I am assuming it’s a still limited compared to what Traktor and Serato can do.

    Not only that but changing human behavior is difficult. We are all use to how we organize and store our digital collections. So if that software isn’t integrated the same way, re-learning how to store and use our musical collection will be difficult.

    Lastly, Those mothers are going to be EXPENSIVE as heck.

  • MrM

    Well,I feel like Pioneer coulda used there CDJ-1000 shell and platter to create a control surface like the OTUS and gain insane market share on the controller front. Everyone and their mother would have jumped on those.

  • deeco

    So let me get this straight, it basically does what Traktor Pro does, is 10X the price and only has one deck…pffft…good luck. I think they had their moment and still do have presence but the future is a dj showing up with their laptop and using a standardized midi controller or timecoded vinyl control.

    If they standardize the control by offering a CDJ300 that’s just a midi controller, they’ll remain an essential part of the club setup.

  • James D

    [quote comment=””]
    make something progressive for CHRISTS’ sake.[/quote]
    The problem is that it’s really hard to get out of the business of selling CD players for $1400. It’s just so lucrative that they have to try since Pioneer doesn’t really have any expertise at software and if they just made a controller it would have to be a better value proposition than the cheap ones already on the market. Stuff like the VCI-100 really eats their lunch at $500 + 200 for an interface compared to $3k+ for CDJ1000s and a (hopefully Pioneer) mixer.

    To someone in product development it looks like the field is wide open for a “new 1200” or “new CDJ” but the software and hardware that people are using is evolving so fast I don’t think we’re going to get a 20+ year industry standard again.

    Speaking of which, the VCI-100 is getting a little long in the tooth, Ean do you have any tidbits you can drop for us about a followup?

  • Marvelous Mixin Miguel

    I been mixing for 20+ years. I started out on 12s worked my way up to CD players and now use Traktor with a midi controller.

    I love my laptop. I do everything on my laptop. I make music, edit music and play music off my laptop.

    The only thing I bring to my gigs is a laptop, midi controller and my audio 8.

    The same thing that happened to Technics will happen to Pioneer. Technics didn’t make the switch to CD turntable & Pioneer took over the market. Pioneer thinks they could continue making CDJ and the market will continue to buy.

    I haven’t found the best midi device for DJing but midi is the way to go. I don’t want another midi CD player or a usb CD player. I don’t want to use timecode. We need a midi device which allows the dj to take advantage of all of the features the dj software has to offer. Believe me you’ll have more control mixing with midi than using a turnable or cdj. Try it before you put it down.

    Just my two cents.

  • signaturex

    the baby steps these companies move by is completely idiotic. they are like a roving band of headless sheep .. walking intestines with no purpose but to slowly process the resources they are hovering over.

    make something progressive for CHRISTS’ sake.

  • Mr?Softee

    if the software will be a freeware… well… it might work. But this and some FX apart, is someone please explaining me what is the big step forward in comparison for example with the 400s? I can already set loops and use a USB stick… will a few effects and a VERY small screen justify the big price difference? mmhhhh i dunno…
    I think Timecode solutions (TSP, Serato, Torq, whatever) are still the most versatile solutions… wherever i go playing I use either cd players or turntables… depending on what they have… the only “problem” I had so far in a club with my TS is that if you have to leave the console for the next DJ and he uses the same support as you do (cds or tt) you have to detach your Audio 8 on one channel, while you are playing the last song on the other, and reattach the RCA connectors and then do the same with the other channel while the next deejay (who sometimes does not even know you) is playing and thinking “is he somehow trying to sabotage me?”… even worse if the other deejay has a timecode as well…

  • NZ

    CDs & Vinyls are almost dead. Its 2009, music distribution became digital and wireless.
    Ppl dont want to make a cd to play tunes purchased online – they want to play them directly and have all the goods: huge searchable database, loops, cues, fx, sync.

    This new cdjs are not like turntables(if u tryed technics, u’ll handle numark and viceversa). To use all the features, u realy need them at home. They COST ALOT. And, i think, u allready know how to spend this money)

  • pierce

    don’t get me wrong – it’s not that i don’t appreciate an idea that finally solves all the connection, rewiring situations that lately get standard in all clubs and booths. but there have been certain positive aspects especially WHY djs turned their back on CDJs and switched to traktor pro for example. the loopings, fx, handling in general and best of all for me, still a 1210 in my hands to control it. but compared to this new family of CDJs, there´s a WAYS easier and more affordable solution for every club right now already.

    just place in an AUDIO-8 and RANE interface parallel fixed in the booth. you can run both at the same time, all the DJs gotta do then is to connect a single USB cable for their setup and that’s it. whats the matter in bringing in a 13″ laptop? the only situation that sucks so far is the wiring. an organized patchbay should be standard as well. this would speed up the process, cost the club around 800$ total (or even less) for all installments and 90% of the acts will be happy to play with their existing gear. just more comfortable and with less to worry about that eve.

  • weasel

    well i’m quite sure that the software will be for free, just like scratch live, so you can organize and prepare your flash media at home without actually owning one of the players. everything else would be kind of suicidal from pioneers POV.

  • kevinmcdonough

    MisterMoleyMole makes a good point about the software, even if the clubs your playing in have the new CDJs, they’re only really useful to you if you also have them at home to do all of the work first in organizing your collection. And with the price of a SINGLE CDJ1000 these days (never mind a pair) being more than a macbook pro is that realistically gonna happen? Because i can only assume that this new device will be more expensive again.

    Unless they make the software part of it free, maybe making the playlists a poineer only format so you can only use them in their players or something.

  • MisterMoleyMole

    The problem with this is not everyone can just come and jump on them. Sounds like your only going to be able to use them to there full potentail if you actually own them yourself and have the software to use them at home. They aint gonna become an industry stadard with this problem. Technics became an industry standard as they were great deacks and everyone had vinyl. Pioneer cdjs became an industry standard because they are a great deck and everyone has cds…… not everyone will have a cdj2000 (or whatever it will be) and the software to sort there tracks in advance so why are people going to use them. … i think with the information above they will be a flop, but i guess we dont know everything yet.

  • Steve - London

    And just to add… CDJ300 controller would be superb, £300-400 a pop, midi-usb that plays with Traktor, Serrato etc, that’s where the product fits in now as many jocks still love the CDJ as a controller and nothing more.

  • Steve - London

    Priced themselves out of the market, £3000 will get you a nice Mac Book Pro, a controller and taraktor pro and change, I went to SW4 a few weeks back and only a few jocks were playing with CDs, we’re moving forward now not backward.

  • stump

    I think the issue with breaking through is going to be the pricing, which keeps the new Pioneer out of the reach of “normal” djs, thus failing in becoming a standard. Idea of a laptop-less digital dj setup sounds great.

  • judeson

    Well, even though Denon has a few cdjs that somewhat do this already, I’m sure the Pioneers will take center stage and dominate.

    However, like you said, how fast will the clubs buy in?