Jumping on the momentum that yesterday’s leak produced, the full details and official announcements have come from the Pioneer, Serato Audio, and Traktor camps. Our complete lack of factual information has been remedied: the Pioneer DDJ-T1 will arrive in February 2011 with a price tag of $1299/£899, while the DDJ-S1 will be released in March for a heavier $1599 / £1099. We’ve got all of the solid facts and specifications, along with better pictures of these new controllers – keep reading.
DDJ-S1 ($1599/£1099)
Those of you who had keen eyes on our the leaked image of the DDJ-S1 in our previous post noticed that there was a Serato ITCH logo printed on it- and we’re sad to say that all indications point to the fact that the S1 isn’t going to act as a SSL box, leaving dedicated Scratch Live users in the dust again when it comes to providing a one-stop piece of kit. The S1 is clearly designed for a two deck mixing style, and while it does have a Mic and Mic2/Aux input, they’re not treated like independent channels whatsoever.
Despite the lack of four decks, there are a number of nice features on the unit, including buttons for instant doubling of tracks from one deck to the other, a needle strip search with a red LED progress bar (“Playing Address feature”) above it, a alphabetical search function using the same needle strip control, and a beat grid adjust that is mapped as a shift-function for the jog wheels.
Additional facts from the Pioneer DDJ-S1 product sheet:
1. Familiar Pioneer control surface offers DJs instantly recognizable and responsive controls
The controller has excellent operability thanks to the similarity in layout to other professional Pioneer DJ equipment. The master and channel level meters are placed together centrally on the unit, helping DJs to monitor the level of the master and each channel while adjusting the volume. The controller also has an effect control area, so you can add Serato ITCH’s DJ FX to your mix.
2. Laptop dock
The dock allows you to position the laptop under the controller, for optimized performance space and visual reference.
3. Includes a Playing Address feature that allows DJs to visually confirm the position of a song
Track song progression on a unique LED display, so you know exactly where you are while DJing. The controller also includes a “Needle Drop” search function, allowing you to quickly skip through a song to a preferred playback point.
4. Plug and play connection
You can connect the controller and computer with just a USB cable*1, so you can truly “plug and play”. Since all of the buttons and knobs have already been assigned DJ software functions, it’s easy to start DJing without any complicated settings.
5. Designed specifically for Serato ITCH software with advanced Pioneer features
The controller offers tight integration with Serato ITCH software. Added controls include an alphabetic search function for quick song selection from large music collections and a slip mode for looping, reversing, and scratching without changing the song tempo.
6. Multiple input and output options
The controller is equipped with various inputs and outputs, including balanced XLR input/output (1 each) for connecting professional PA equipment.*2
7. High quality design for a clear and powerful DJ sound
Pioneer has utilized technologies developed from its professional DJ equipment, including Pioneer mixer audio circuitry, to ensure high quality sound. This, coupled with audio characteristics optimized for Serato ITCH software, complete the superior sound design of the DDJ-S1.
8. Other features
• Each channel fader and cross fader employ a lock mechanism to prevent the knob from slipping
• Built-in audio interface
• Both microphone inputs are equipped with a talk-over function to lower the music volume when receiving voice input from the microphone.
*1 Some functions are limited. Furthermore, depending on the power supply of the USB port of the computer, the controller of may not operate on bus power. If this occurs, connect the included AC adapter.
*2 Devices to amplify sounds such as microphone, amplifier, or speaker.
DDJ-T1 ($1299/£899)
In a clear move to put it in the same league as the S4, Pioneer’s four-channel T1 controller for Traktor will be paired with its own version of Traktor- with control over all four decks. In addition, the layout of the controller does a good job of following the layout of Traktor- the FX units look nearly identical their digital counterparts in the software.
Unlike the S1, the DDJ-T1 feels lacking in visual feedback. There are no VU meters for each individual track, and no handy needle search LED to let DJs know where we are in the song. Not a serious setback, especially considering that your laptop is right behind the controller (it slides right under!) but still features that we’d expect in both models.
Facts from the official Pioneer DDJ-T1 product sheet:
- Plug-and-Play USB Connectivity – All buttons and knobs have been pre-assigned, so users can quickly connect the controller to their laptops by USB cable and start their performances without having to adjust any complicated settings. Additionally, the DDJ-T1 can be powered through the laptop’s USB port.*1
- Included TRAKTOR DJ Software – Includes Pioneer DDJ-T1 Edition TRAKTOR DJ software. This popular software is loaded with original functionality, including four-channel deck control and a channel fader start function, which makes it easier for DJs to create exact cue starts.*2
- Specially Designed User Interface – The controller layout and TRAKTOR software interface are identical, ensuring ease-of-use and precise control. The DDJ-T1 is modeled after the proven design of the professional Pioneer DJ player and mixer and integrates 115mm jog dials, accurate search functionality to quickly find playback points, a load button for song data and a master synch button for beat matching across four channels.
- Highest-Quality Sound – The controller is optimized for the TRAKTOR DJ software and incorporates technology from Pioneer’s professional line of DJ equipment to ensure the highest quality sound output that DJs have come to expect from Pioneer products.
Additional Features include:
- Proprietary lock mechanism called the P-LOCK Fader Cap designed to prevent fader caps from slipping.*3
- Premiere built-in sound card.
*1 Some functions are limited. Furthermore, depending on the power supply of the USB port of the computer, the controller of may not operate on bus power. If this occurs, connection of the included AC adapter. is required.
*2 A function to start playback from a user-specified point.
*3 Patent pending.
Keep an eye on DJTechTools as we adventure to NAMM this weekend- we’ll give you a much closer look at these units and other exciting products that have yet to be announced.
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I think that all this new tech is fun to play with a bad mess around with when planning a massive gig
It gives you the ability to explore hence the DDJ t1
I’ve played around on my friends cdjs and s4
I still think that pioneer is the best when preparing to use cdjs
The layout is very similar thus will u be used to it
DDJ LUQi
can i use the ddj t1 to podcast
Can i plug my Technics turntables into this????
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Ok the pioneer midi controllers are awesome the are less than a quarter of the price of the cdj 2000s and djm 900s and who cares about beat matching the sync button makes djing more easier but gives you more of a opportunity to put more creativity into the mix. Its the way of the future and the same thing happened to vinyl. i have had a opportunity to use them and they are great and responsive.
Ok the pioneer midi controllers are awesome the are less than a quarter of the price of the cdj 2000s and djm 900s and who cares about beat matching the sync button makes djing more easier but gives you more of a opportunity to put more creativity into the mix. Its the way of the future and the same thing happened to vinyl. i have had a opportunity to use them and they are great and responsive.
Ok the pioneer midi controllers are awesome the are less than a quarter of the price of the cdj 2000s and djm 900s and who cares about beat matching the sync button makes djing more easier but gives you more of a opportunity to put more creativity into the mix. Its the way of the future and the same thing happened to vinyl. i have had a opportunity to use them and they are great and responsive.
Ok the pioneer midi controllers are awesome the are less than a quarter of the price of the cdj 2000s and djm 900s and who cares about beat matching the sync button makes djing more easier but gives you more of a opportunity to put more creativity into the mix. Its the way of the future and the same thing happened to vinyl. i have had a opportunity to use them and they are great and responsive.
Ok the pioneer midi controllers are awesome the are less than a quarter of the price of the cdj 2000s and djm 900s and who cares about beat matching the sync button makes djing more easier but gives you more of a opportunity to put more creativity into the mix. Its the way of the future and the same thing happened to vinyl. i have had a opportunity to use them and they are great and responsive.
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Which bag or trolley can I get for the nice controller ddjs1?
is there currently a brand that has produced a bag/trolley for this controller?
Which bag or trolley can I get for the nice controller ddjs1?
is there currently a brand that has produced a bag/trolley for this controller?
Which bag or trolley can I get for the nice controller ddjs1?
is there currently a brand that has produced a bag/trolley for this controller?
Has anyone used both the T1 and the S4 who is a professional or at least getting gigs as an opener? if so can you give a simple list of pros v cons of the two and which you prefer as well as what genre’s of music you usually play the most?
I have some limited production experience and almost no true dj experience other than messing around at house parties etc.
I was planning on getting a S4 and Midi Fighter but want to hear some feed back on the T1 first.
I purchased the Pioneer DDJ-T1 about one week ago and have had nothing but an awesome experience with it. Traktor Pro 2 already had the controls mapped out in a preset, so I just had to install the drivers (in windows 7) and then plug the controller in. I read someone saying the audio was terrible but I can’t hear any discernible differences, I am outputting the audio from the DDJ-T1 through my M-Audio ProFire610 soundcard out to my JBL LSR series monitors and subwoofer.
Sounds Amazing. No different than listening to something directly on the computer. Plenty of bass and high’s.
The jogwheel latency issue some experienced at trade shows or whatever, not an issue for me at all. I set the buffer to 128 and it gives me a 1.5ms latency time. If you can honestly say that you can notice a 1.5 MILLISECOND difference in time I applaud you. For me even the smallest cuts and chops for scratching were fine. The crossfader is loose enough to crab on with no problem. If I blow on the crossfader it will make it to the halfway point at least just with air. I didn’t even mess with the curve settings, by default it was good enough for scratching, I’m sure I could get it to really cut if I turned the curve on the crossfader to sharp 🙂
The “shell” of the unit can feel plasticky at times, the front bezel of the unit is a bit thin, but the entire underside of the unit is metal construction, only the sides, back, front, and top are plastic.
Setting cue points, triggering loops, fx, and everything is very intiutive. The layout mimicks traktor so it’s very easy to navigate and it just makes sense.
I’m not a professional DJ, I am a producer trying to learn the craft, but I’ve already been through a numark mixtrack, vestax vci-100mkii (both got returned because I just wasn’t feeling them, the vestax had a high pitch feedback issue on the master out) and have tried every dj software they make.
Traktor 2 and the Pioneer DDJ-T1 is what I’m sticking with 🙂
Just hoping this review will shed some more light on the product. I hear a lot of people complaining about it, but not many have actually used one.
How is the filter effect on the T1 model ?? Right now im shooting more for the S1 model because im not a big fan of traktor software it has let me down before..
Sup DJ’s
I’m an old fart too….Been DJ’ing for 25+ years…etc,etc,etc… And I don’t live in the past , nor the future…I live in the present.
And if right now technology gives us the ability to take it a step further …I say Amen!!!
I actually own a Traktor S4. I use it in an mixed Analog/Digital setup. And I’m loving it.
Technology has never been the problem. It’s what we do with it.
And that’s where I think, the younger generation is confused. I red above someone saying : beatmatching is like shouting in the universe. Nobody hears it. Funny…but it looks pretty obvious this cat never did beatmach a single bar in his life….(other the whole planet would hear it and the universe would go into quantic mayhem!)
More seriously what makes really dj’ing special it’s not beatmatching…it’s easy!!!! it’s the ear…the feeling…And that you can only fully adquire by beatmaching …cause it requires all your concentration …makes you feel the track…both tracks. And it’s that ear that will allow you to pick that special loop you made on your board while mixing, that will make the crowd go bananas! People have to feel you behind the booth. Where’s the energy and challenge in beatsyncing like a jukebox? And think about it. We do this because it’s something special…I mean to be behind the decks and share a vibe with a crowd…we all know it’s priceless. But it’s priceless only because people recognize that what we do is a skill. A craft…If we keep the machine replacing us in more and more aspect of this craft, if we keep dehumanizing this profession. Do we really think people will still look up to the booth? Do you really think 29 crazed bimbos are gonna be chasing your arse after the gig?
And finally once you developed that ear…that feel, that sense. Beatsyncing is a non issue.
So kids…get your gear digital, analog, both …who cares!!! Just be creative, take risks and keep what we do ….. special.
DJ Rokasoul
Also..I hate this expression beatmatching!…A mix is not always based on the rythm section…Sometimes I base mi mix of Horn sections, keys, melody,etc….Not just Kick drum on Kick Drum and Clap on Clap!
Mixing and DJ’ing is much more.
Oh and finally… when I started dj’ing…old cats used to gie me shit cause I had the 1200’s and their big pitch fader…when they used to mix with the 1800’s (the ancestor) which a tiny wheel or cursor to control the pitch…which was very hard to use…(so imagine the Disco era DJ’s!!!)
It’s all relative….every era has its clash of generations.
As a Dj who started with turntables. I’ve moved to midi because it is very cost efficient. As a Dj who has practiced the art of beat matching and beat mixing for years I feel comfortable enough to mix on just about anything that can actually mixed on. As a reminder, just because a Dj uses a midi controller does not mean that he/she is not beat matching and beat mixing. Yes unfortunately because of SYNC the ERA OF THE LESS TALENTED DJ is among us so if you see a SYNC DJ and a midi controller tell him that he can learn to mix if he just practices with what he already has… SYNC DJ’s get under my skin to… So I the one that I knew I started teaching them how to really DJ and some of them learned, but only the ones that really wanted to…
As a Dj who started with turntables. I’ve moved to midi because it is very cost efficient. As a Dj who has practiced the art of beat matching and beat mixing for years I feel comfortable enough to mix on just about anything that can actually mixed on. As a reminder, just because a Dj uses a midi controller does not mean that he/she is not beat matching and beat mixing. Yes unfortunately because of SYNC the ERA OF THE LESS TALENTED DJ is among us so if you see a SYNC DJ and a midi controller tell him that he can learn to mix if he just practices with what he already has… SYNC DJ’s get under my skin to… So I the one that I knew I started teaching them how to really DJ and some of them learned, but only the ones that really wanted to…
nuff said!:)
respect.
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While I think it is important to learn to beat match as a DJ, I also think there is nothing wrong with using a PC ehile DJing. The only downside of it is that PCd do crash and vinyls and CDs don’t
While I think it is important to learn to beat match as a DJ, I also think there is nothing wrong with using a PC ehile DJing. The only downside of it is that PCd do crash and vinyls and CDs don’t
I’ve seen videos of Tiësto, Armin van Buuren, david Guetta, all using cdj’s and the cd gets scratched or old and what do you know it skips or doesn’t play.
And records can skip and break and are fragile.
No dj media is perfect, and Cd’s and vinyl aren’t indestructible.
A DJ plays music- plain and simple.
A DJ plays music- plain and simple.
2 CDjs 400 or 350 cost around $600 to $700 bucks each + a DJM 350 mixer is around $600… so the whole set up is around $2,000 roughly speaking…now add Traktor or Serato and your at $2700 + computer
the T1 dj stores have for $1,099 and this includes the Traktor.. that sounds like a good deal to me unless the components are of far less quality…is the T1 high quality Pioneer components or are they clowning us?
The S4 for $899 sounds great but the audio out worries me, I expect XLR outs…maybe I’m wrong im not a sound guy but on a big sound, like an EAW sytem with thousands of watts.. does it sound comparable to pioneers or rane?….
If you pick up the T1 or S1 at most your in $1500…. that should be paid off in 2-3 gigs for most working DJs….sounds like a good deal to me if the components are of high quality and you want a all in one plug and play set up ……
still confused, cdj MKIII + DJM 800 all in one ?
2 CDjs 400 or 350 cost around $600 to $700 bucks each + a DJM 350 mixer is around $600… so the whole set up is around $2,000 roughly speaking…now add Traktor or Serato and your at $2700 + computer
the T1 dj stores have for $1,099 and this includes the Traktor.. that sounds like a good deal to me unless the components are of far less quality…is the T1 high quality Pioneer components or are they clowning us?
The S4 for $899 sounds great but the audio out worries me, I expect XLR outs…maybe I’m wrong im not a sound guy but on a big sound, like an EAW sytem with thousands of watts.. does it sound comparable to pioneers or rane?….
If you pick up the T1 or S1 at most your in $1500…. that should be paid off in 2-3 gigs for most working DJs….sounds like a good deal to me if the components are of high quality and you want a all in one plug and play set up ……
still confused, cdj MKIII + DJM 800 all in one ?
I have owned 2 Pioneer mixers and both of them failed in a very short time so Pioneer has taken my money twice but three times I think not but really a solid non plastic controler would be nice!
I have owned all kinds of equipment but my Technics 1200’s have remained the same the dicers are the only addtion to them in years. I want to switch to a controler but they all seem so junky covered with plastic and they come & go even Vestax stop making the VCI-100 now where is the next 1200???
hmmm…i might swap my s4 for this due to the better soundcard.
lol this thing is epic… ly ‘tarded. i feel sorry for whoever drops that much money on this overpriced plastic brick with spinwheels. the S4 has this thing beat 100 fold, at 3/4 the price
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ESPERO QUE SEAN MEJOR QUE EL MEP 7000 Y EL PIONEER SEP C1…
SINCERAMENTE DECEPCIONARON A MUCHOS USUARIOS DJ´S…
YO COMPRE UN PIONEER SEP C1 Y FUE MUY COMPLICADO UTILIZARLO YA QUE SU PROGRAMA NATIVO´´DJS“ERA MUY BASICO SOBRE TODO AL MOMENTO DE BUSCAR LOS ARCHIVOS MP3….UNA PESADILLA….
TUVE QUE ESPERAR CASI UN AÑO PARA QUE OTROS PROGRAMAS DIERAN SOPORTE MIDI PARA ESTE CONTROLADOR…..
PIONEER NO DIO NINGUNA SOLUCION A ESTE PROGRAMA NI ACTUALIZACION ALGUNA…..SIMPLEMENTE SE LAVO LAS MANOS.
PIENSO QUE PIONEER DEBERIA DE ESCUCHAR UN POCO MAS LA OPINION DE LOS DJ CON RESPECTO A LO QUE ES EL SOFWARE PARA SUS CONTROLADORES.
English bro. We don’t need that talk here.
my biggest concern with this and the s4 which i will most likely choose is do they play videos as well, and if it is an extra or update for that feature how much coin will it cost?
it is difficult for me to belive that virtual dj which is pretty good and way more comercial has it and these two top of the line controller with dedicated software dont.
i havent heard anything about videos just yest if anyone has info please comment and leave source of where you got the info please. otherwise i can asume you made it up. thank you
i dont know if it was the demo units at namm , but the response from the jog wheels were HORRIBLE. impossible to scratch with and even worse trying to cue in songs. crossfader cut off is miles long at the 3rd setting. built in efx and the mixer portion is what really shines. if pioneer can minimize the jog wheel latency as well as better cut off response on the crossfader, this would easily be one of the best serato controllers on the market, but until then i’ll stick with the vci300. i need to have that turntable feel with the controller and the vestax does that very well. disappointing.
Its waaay too slow for scratching as compared to the NS7. Trading it in for the NS6 June 1st
Its waaay too slow for scratching as compared to the NS7. Trading it in for the NS6 June 1st
I can’t understand some of the comments here. People saying “f*$% you pioneer, I won’t buy this!” wow! If you don’t like it (like me), why smash them so hard? They are only legitimizing the need for an all in one solution for controller/DVS DJs. More options for the consumer is always better.
That being said, I’m a bit disappointed. It is a bit too expensive compared to the S4, and while the jog wheels and pitch faders seem to be much better quality, everything else seems to be the old cheap pioneer build compared to the S4. Had they given it the same build as the DJM 800, I’d see the price being fair, but this doesn’t cut it for me. Definitely excited that 3rd party companies are getting on board. More options means competition, and that only means we’re closer to finally getting a true industry standard mixer/controller that might be future proof.
To me it’s all about comfort and design. I love the S4, but you cannot rip the Pioneer until you actually play on it. It seems a little more spacious for the hands and not too cluttered with buttons.
Pioneer is NOT Technics! They are masters at making hardware, so I would wait before I rip into them! They would not let a device enter the market unless they knew it had potential.
Before all this midi revolution and controllerism, all of you were drooling for the Pioneer decks…
They may not be the best, but they are still the “club standard” for all the biggest DJ’s in the world.
– I am not a Pioneer fanboy either, I use NI.
You know? I really am liking the S1. I can understand the gripe with the T1, because it does seem like it’s not up to the same quality as the S1. As far as the T1 is concerned, the only benefit I really can see over an S4 is that it’s what people can /basically/ come to expect when dealing with CDJ’s.
The S1 though? It seems like a very nice solution for those who want CDJ’s for DVS support, but don’t need them for a home or mobile setup. If this worked with SSL, it would have been THE controller and a half. As it works with ITCH, there’s still some hesitation to go along with it.
I don’t think either of these are marketed at the completely controllerist savvy, nor the vinyl/cdj purists. Both of these controllers are marketed toward people who are in the middle. Wanting to use a DVS, but not wanting the “analogue” gear.
Haters gunna hate.
looks good and being in japan i can probably get it for 40% cheaper….. actually i am loving the x1..i dj abroad alot and often dont have a proper visa to dj in the country ( expensive, time consuming ) and the x1 slips under the radar ( its a game controller i told immigration recently )… this and the s4 will get you on the next flight out! no vu`s is bad though
Why is everyone so fond of carrying laptops/notebooks/netbooks with them in order to mix in a club? Why do people love to stare at a TFT-screen instead of just using turntables and CDJs to mix? Why the hell do so-called “DJs” use controllers with autosync-functions instead of learning how to beatmatch properly by training their hearing? Why risk sound-dropouts and crashes (or even blue-screens in the worst case), when there are reliable turntables and CDJs available in most venues?
I am already sick of having to carry the equipment for my live-PAs with me when I fly to a live-gig, so why would I want to increase the amount of stuff to carry with me to my DJ-gigs too, by taking heavy bags full of cumbersome controllers, notebooks/netbooks/laptops, external soundcards etc. with me?
Using such a huge DJ-controller-thing *and* a computer in a club makes no sense for me. Many clubs do not have much space in their DJ-booths anyway, and moreover I do not feel like re-wiring the whole setup in a dark club while the previous DJ is still playing, often having to displace/remove turntables, mixers or CDJs that take up space in the booth. This is too much hassle, if you ask me.
I take extra bucks for my live-gigs not only because of all the time needed to prepare each set, but also because I need to take so much gear with me into the plane. A DJ-gig with just a pair of headphones, a bag with some vinyls and a pack of CDs is a much more relaxing affair. The Pioneer CDJs can be found in almost every club nowadays, and they are lots of fun to use and very reliable as well.
There is obviously no reason to buy a DDJ-S1/T1 or any other DJ-controller by any brand out there. Certainly turntables do have their disadvantages too (worn-out needles or skipping records anyone?), but I found CDJs to be the most reliable way to perform and mix in a club.
Pioneer even included an autosync-button??? WTF??? These devices may be nice for some bedroom-DJs, but certainly not for professional usage, as everyone serious about DJing is going to beatmatch manually. This kind of shit takes away the artistic aspect of DJing. Every kid can push a button. So can every kid be considered a DJ now?
But hey, everyone wants to be a superstar-DJ and swiftly claim a bit of fame nowadays. Brands like Pioneer (and many others before them) have realised that acquiring mixing-skills is a tedious and annoying affair, and investing into a good pair of CD-players and/or turntables is rather expensive too, hence “DJ”-controllers now come to the rescue in order to provide a shortcut by letting people without skills (or true passion for the whole thing?) mix their downloaded MP3s flawlessly. Welcome to the future! A future where so-called “DJs” can rely solely on a single button labelled “SYNC”.
I use controllers strictly for my live-performances, where I create and arrange sounds in real-time, using nothing but material that I came up with myself. When I go out to spin tunes others have made, I stay clear of autosynced “push-button-DJing” and do some actual beatmatching using turntables and CDJs.
It is very well possible that such controllers are fun to use for certain guys/girls out there. These devices can be great toys to fool around with at home. It also lets you throw a quick, spontaneous party with friends even when you had fifteen cans of beer already, because you can still mix perfectly when you are drunk thanks to the auto-beatmatch feature.
If you only want to try out whether DJing may be your thing or not, without having to worry much about actually learning anything about mixing, then such a controller may be the right gear for you before you go out and buy a mixer, CD-players, turntables and so on.
Experienced DJs who turned deaf may also use the controllers as a mixing-aid for the elderly.
You do not belong to the groups mentioned above? Oh, then I fear you will have to invest money into some *serious* equipement.
By the way, last weekend I tried using Traktor with MIDI-enabled CDJ-clones as controllers for the first time, and I felt like this kind of crap is taking away not only the skills but also the soul out of DJing. I would not even record a promo-mix at home using this method. This kind of shit really feels more like cheating on my fans who expect mixes that were made using actual skills – and it feels like cheating myself too…
go back to 1985
Times are changin’ bro! Adapt or become a dinosaur.
Probably the wrong section of the forum for your rant. I’ll bite all the same…
I guess you could say that you are more interested in your ‘input’ as DJ. The definition of input in this case being how you go about what you are doing independent of the output.
Most controllerists are of a differing opinion; that being they are more interested in the output of sound.
I guess if we were to apply your mentality of an input based approach to sound there would no DJing at all. All sound would come from it’s natural source only.
I hope the crowd enjoy watching your ‘input’ based performance (using a pitch fader and jog wheel while you manually cue) as much as they enjoy an output based one using that time and mental capacity to make changes to the sound output.
“Real” DJs use gramophones!
yep, agree with the replies above.
My job in a club is to make people have a good time. That’s it.
For the most part, the methods I use to do that don’t matter as long as everyone leaves wanting more. Being innovative, ‘artistic’ etc etc are nice bonuses and stand you out from the crowd, but just as said above the output is what matters.
I have myself, and have seen others, mix on turntables, mix on CD’s and mix with controllers and the crowd have had an amazing time. I’ve also seen people mix on all three and the crowd have a terrible time. No one is better than the other, they’re all just different tools to achieve the same end.
In terms of the sync button, I have been a DJ for about 14 years now and a musician/drummer for 24 years (as well as a live sound engineer). I can manually beatmatch no problem at all, but I do sometimes use the sync button as well. It’s a time saver and then lets me concentrate on other aspects of my DJing that may get pushed to the side while I spend the time playing with the pitchfader.
Its like asking a road worker to manually use a hammer and a chisel to break up some tarmac. There is technology that allows him to do it far more efficiently and quickly so why not use it? you achieve the exact same thing much quicker and then have the time to add extra things into your mix and in my opinion be more creative, not less.
But in saying that i do think that ALL DJ’s should take the time to learn to manually beatmatch. The skills learned during that process teach you WHY and WHEN to beatmatch, not just how. You learn proper pacing of the mix, how to properly match up phrases of 8 and 16, and a whole host of other skills so that when you use the sync button you do it properly.
Because the actual matching up the tempo’s is the least important part of the mix, its just a mechanical and repetitive process you go through. Bringing in the song at the correct time, blending the two songs properly with a mix of crossfade and EQ changes, timing it to drop out some instruments or vocal lines just as others come in, thats all the real skill of the mix and you still need to do all that whether you have matched the tempo’s manually or hit sync.
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@kevinmcdonough +1 Nicely put
No one in the club cares what equipment you use to play the music, people just wanna dance. Or they wanna go to a club to see a big name DJ because there will be lots of people there they can dance with.
Computers make it easier and there are few big name DJs left who don’t use them now. Why? Because computers give you infinitely more options to make your music sound better. Unless you are used to using 4 CDJs 2000 which I doubt and you know transitions of every single one of your tracks by heart, give it a try you’ll love it
Beatmatching is like screaming in space. Nobody hears you do it.
Beatmatching is like screaming in space. Nobody hears you do it.
pure utter 100% pile of exactly. Gotta get away from past and embrace the future,technology is taking it to next level so if it fears you, keep on banging on about beatmixing and whatever. Try getting creative not jealous off more talented musical performers on modern mixing equipment. My gran could learn to beatmix in a fortnight it not that hard to learn to be honest, well for anyone with any musical creativity at all.
pure utter 100% pile of exactly. Gotta get away from past and embrace the future,technology is taking it to next level so if it fears you, keep on banging on about beatmixing and whatever. Try getting creative not jealous off more talented musical performers on modern mixing equipment. My gran could learn to beatmix in a fortnight it not that hard to learn to be honest, well for anyone with any musical creativity at all.
When you start complaining about the time you live in, then your time is up.
When you start complaining about the time you live in, then your time is up.
Get over yourself bro! Beatmatching is not what makes DJing artistic. It took me one week to learn to beatmatch. One week! I’ve been a musician for years, so figuring out which track is faster/slower wasn’t exactly a complex procedure. The art of Djing comes in how you put your stamp on the music.
LOL You are a dickhead. You just can’t pop out the tunes like controllerists do. I love turntables and turntabilism, but I can’t stand Dinosaurs like you bitching about the new wave. Controllism isn’t about beat matching it is about making electronic music. To be completely honest I think they should not even be considered the same genre of music.
In short, turntabilism and its art is cool. Controllerism and its art is cool. Annoying dicks like you are not
Love,
Optimus Grime
P.S. I bet my digital set up is lighter and smaller than your technics at least by half
Sorry wrong link… Here is the correct one:
http://www.gearjunkies.com/news_info.php?news_id=5989
Check it out in this video from Pioneer….
@alexio -that’s what i figured
.Any idea about the difference in software for the t1 and traktors regular software.
I like the idea of bigger platters….
These have that one plus over the S4…
@marko..you can midi map it yourself.
now on topic
EPIC fail.wtf pioneer:no vu meters,no keyboard/touch-pad access?and lets not say something about the ventilation.
the only nice features are the cue-play buttons and the jog wheels,the rest are crap…
i wouldn’t buy this piece of pioneer junk!just think about the price,for that price you can get traktor s4 and audio dj 4 too,or a decent piece of headphones..
Does any one know if the S4 has the functionality to switch the xfader mode, like put it in hamster?
Looks like i may finally go digital if it can.
All the comments here make a valid point. Why is it so hard for these companies to just get it right? Make a product that grows with the DJ and the new software. Why not build a product that works with the new Traktor software? The DDJ-T1 needs XLR outputs aswell as Booth outputs. Also Midi ins/outs, an Effects Loop, better Jogwheel and the needle drop as mentioned by others would be nice. Seriously? Why no VU/LED meters? We need those. And what’s up with only 1 input? You need at least 2 just in case the DJ prefers Turntables. At least give us that option. We are DJs and we usually have extra gear we want to hook up. And what about USB3? It’s faster than 2.0. So why not incorporate it? Why not build a unit that can be used by all DJs? It’s not that difficult to do. Aside from all that, it is a nice unit with a spacious layout. That’s what caught my eye.
[quote comment=”43105″]PS,
My biggest complaint about both of these units is the lack of a booth out. That’s the giveaway that nobody, not even Pioneer (or any other manufacturer of these controllers) intends for them to be used in a serious nightclub environment.[/quote]
I do hope your kidding. Every and I mean every club I have ever gone to or played at has either a studio style mixer available or a dj style mixer available which you just plug into with your gear. That way there is no compatibility issues when hooking up to the sound system and then when multiple styles of djs play there is no problem switching out gear etc. I am so sick of hearing this bullshit statement!!!
No booth out and the price are killing me… I own a Pioneer DJM800 and EFX500, and Pioneer really needs to reach out to working nightclub dj’s before they release something of this magnitude.
Once again Serato is being left behind….I think its time for me to make the switch
Those 4 buttons above the jogwheel are supposed to work as hot cues (and some other functions aswell).
Is it just me or are there no hot cues on the T1? The S1 is definitely a step up from my VCI 300, but given that the NS7 and V7 are out there now, why make such a boring product? I already have cdjs; i was hoping for something with a little more innovation, not just the cdj 2000s ported for itch and traktor. I guess its a cheaper alternative to the 2000s, which are ridiculously priced controllers (seriously, who uses cds anymore? i have cdjs and dont ever touch them!). I’d be more interested at a lower price range at least and I love pioneer!
Cool!!!! this makes the S4 look like a playschool toy
Atleast they have proper cue/play buttons and a proper looking pitch slider…
To me they look like an attempt at a serious product for anyone that likes DJing with a laptop but would rather do it the proper way (sorry, old fashioned way) of cueing up and dropping at the right point rather than just hitting sync and using copious amounts of effects and filters to cover up for an awfully timed mix.
The price. Well its Pioneer what did you expect? Seems like controllers have got a long way to go before they replace 1000’s/1210’s and DJM800’s.
i wonder why the Serato controller is setup so much better. it has XLR outputs and the needle drop feature. It just looks better too… I currently use the X1 controller… i think im keeping it.
Pioneer know the market; the serato version seems to be aimed squarely at American mobile type djs, hence the detailed mic sections etc, and why it needs xlr outs. The traktor version is a good option for bedroom djs who want to practice on pioneer gear b4 they use it in a club. Kinda reflects the big Atlantic divide in dj and club culture between serato, urban music, lots of mobile jocks in the states; and traktor, dance music and the established club culture in Europe.
Although job wheel controllers aren’t my cup of tea; when I DJ’d CDs I used Pioneer gear. If the build of these controllers is anything like the build of their other gear, these might fair better than what everyone here seems to be thinking. In my experience, Pioneer DJ gear is rock solid and reliable. You can trust they will work.
I like bells and whistles as much as anyone else, but ultimately it has to work. Those who make their decisions on reliability may opt for these on that premise.
I’m just gonna say that I like it, moreso than my VCI-300. As a previously-Traktor-now-Serato guy this is right on (except the price ofc!)
I don’t understand something: I DJ with Serato SL3. If i will buy the DDJ-S1 will it work the same with Scratch Live or does it work only with Serato ITCH? I realy don’t understand.
And Pioneer made the same mistake as they did on the DJM 400. And if I am going to use my laptop and the controller I probably won’t have a mixer and players (that the whole purpose).
Why wouldn’t you add them a BOOTH MONITOR output and a volume control knob? Is it really that hard? I love Pioneer, I even have a Pioneer product in my car, but is it so hard to do something right?
What do you mean.. mistakes with djm400?
Japs still new in Serato n Traktor software market, thats the bad idea for their new controller .
they can’t even make their own software REKORDBOX to be stable and famous.
and price for this its not a good deal, i would rather stick back to cdj or djm.
but S4 still the first choice n worth for $
I don’t know about you guys, the general opinion seems to be negative, but I really like these controllers, and wouldnt have ventured into this laptop/controllerist world if I didnt know Pioneer was bringing out some product. Or Technics maybe…
Anyway I DJ a lil club in the South East, and in my experience, Pioneer and Technics have NEVER been matched in build quailty. For a while I’ve been using the Numark Mixdeck.
It sucked… B.A.L.L.S.
I work for an events company, and we bought two of them, they both needed servicing and repair in 5-6 months, faders broken, buttons caving in, left channel just died on both.
Anyway, my point is, I would GLADLY spend an extra £500 to not have the hassle of having to ring up friends to bring me replacement decks cos mine dont work on the night, to have the peace of mind Pioneer brings to the table.
And (only from what I’ve heard, mind) I wouldn’t get the S4 for exactly that reason…
Just like many pro laptop DJ’s wouldnt go anything but Mac, I wouldnt go anything but Pioneer/Technics.
Pioneer CDJ-quality play/cue/platters/sound (and hopefully faders/knobs!) is something you SHOULD have to pay for.
Very expensive and featureless for the market they are trying to enter. No buy. Will buy the S4 after NAMM 11.
That’s the Numark four deck controller out in the wild.
http://www.djstore.com/item/numns6.htm
http://www.djstore.com/connected/numark/numark-announces-four-deck-serato-itch-controller-the-ns6/
Comes with an all new 4 deck version of Serato Itch and standalone 4 deck mixer with in-built effects, XLR outputs and 4 line inputs at £799.
Nice!
I will definitely be looking at this as well. Numark has made huge leaps in terms of quality from the bad old pre-Alesis days.
I especially dig the built-in effects.
The biggest advantage the Pioneer units have is in the feel and workflow advantage of their cue/play buttons.
Anybody who has developmed the skill of using the solid Pioneer style buttons for cue point juggling in their performance (most of the guys who adopted CDJs) is likely going to prefer those units over something like the NS6.
PS,
My biggest complaint about both of these units is the lack of a booth out. That’s the giveaway that nobody, not even Pioneer (or any other manufacturer of these controllers) intends for them to be used in a serious nightclub environment.
I guess, they expect us to be plugging into the main house mixer, thats why Im not too mad about the S4 not have XLR outs. But the main question, should be ask, why did the S1 get XLRs when the T1 didnt?
See?, Thats what I was wondering. That thing is huge for just plugging into the main mixer unlike most the other controllers.
@deejaysoul
I doubt Pioneer expects most venues, even those with generously sized booths to have enough real estate for another piece of 19″ hardware.
No, I think these things are meant more for mobile guys for whom monitors are less important.
good point…
How’d u get a picture in you icon?
When I saw this article posted this morning, I knew wading into the comments I would see the usual litany of complaints “not innovative!”, “too expensive!”, blah,blah,blah.
I was not disappointed.
A few things
1. Pioneer stuff has always been overpriced from a features/cost standpoint. Once you factor in reliability and standardization across the industry – two important factors to djs who play in real clubs (where venues often provide equipment), the price premium becomes less of an issue. Yes it sucks for bedroom/wine bar djs, but thems the breaks. Besides, the chances of either of these being installed in a club are slim to none. No, these are strictly for bedroom rockers, mobile djs and indpendent contractors working in non-standard venues.
2. I’ve played with some of the more feature heavy controllers and am far less moved by a preponderance of buttons to mash than I am with feel (some manufacturers are better than others in this regard. Pioneer is definitely in the top 3), and ease of use. Sure these controllers might not be flexible enough to allow you to map your mom’s universal remote, your back massager and a 1920s Victrola into your setup, but given the way most working djs actually work – 2 /3 decks, some kind of mixer + a crowd = party, I don’t see that as a big issue.
As the owner of a VCI-300 (I sold my VCI-100 to a friend) I can honestly say like both versions of this hardware and can’t wait to try them out.
Pioneer for reasons of feel, reliability, and overall general acceptance in the dj community are seemingly trying to jump on the digital dj market solely for dollars here. We all jump to judgement on any new unit before we actually use them. The itch controller however looks quite nice imo. Having used itch and traktor for sometime now, the itch controller may be the true winner here.I say this as a drum and bass dj only. Itch is much better for the drum and bass enthusiast who solely mixes on two decks and whats tight precise control over their mixing. So i think pioneer may have appealed to many in that aspect.Pricing seems a bit high to me and always has for these controllers using midi protocol. But im sure these units have a really nice feel and sense of durability to them.But agreed in previous statements that there is really nothing new here.But pioneer fanboys are surely smiling right now.
How should the DDJ-T1 beat the S4 in ANY way?
HAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT?!?! Ok look the equipment is nice… i guess… Not for 80% of the Midi dj’s out there! It looks like the pioneer cd’s.. ok thats cool. Probably has great scratching response…. ok thats cool too. Uhhh well this just goes to show that major companies are just trying to make a buck and ride this new control band wagon and not giving a damn about what the Midi DJ’s want.
We all know what happened to Technics when it tried and epically failed to join the CDJ market. I love the CDJ’S and there. I love 1200 MKII .. they are proudly mounted on my wall. I love the VCI 100……… But Technics, Pioneer and Vestax can all go kick rocks for the Carelessness, Ignorance and there total disregard for what the people who made them who they are today want. They make a great product and ride that wave unchanged for years and when the tides shift they wipe out hard.
Just goes to show that they are not dj’s even tho they say that “designed by pro dj’s”. When the tides shift WE know what to do.
Ean and DJ TECHTOOLS, you have created an army of a Midi DJ’s. As did the the companies with there Turntablest and CDJ…. uhh… people. You are by far the leader in “this” market. This site, your products and the quality of DJ’s that are under your roof is ground breaking… hell.. It FCKN EPIC!! Learn from this. You guys know exactly what I am talking about too.
On the T1;
too late into the game for Pioneer i think… i can see the ‘won’t budge cdj users’ seeing this a viable jump as it’s a name they know.
but i think it’ll get crushed, skimmed over bits i’ve seen on the web and tbh i see no benefit in buying it.
On the S1;
looks nicer than the T1 somehow, but i don’t know enough about Serato to have an opinion…
Too expensive…. and i keep saying, those jogwheels are completely useless, just an excuse to fit a lot less knobs and faders in the controller…
??????????)))))) ??? ??? ????)) amazing controller for traktor!!
who says these units are a fail is the same guy who said iPad would have flopped.
at a $1000-something real street price these units will sell like hotcakes.
The iPad entered a market where there were no competing touchscreen tablets. They[Apple] are the market, all other companies are just trying to be number two. Pioneer is entering a market with competitors who are already established. They are banking on their name alone. I’m not saying they are not going to sell units. But, they’ve brought nothing new to the table.
i thing that the unit is a little over priced but the lay out is real nice and it gives a cdj feel. better is to have TR Scratch pro and if a club has cdj’s to drop in a time code cd. You get the same cdj feeling.
Placing the laptop under the unit aint the best idea. I had my VCI on top of the keyboard of my laptop but the laptop gets freaking hot doing so. Heath goes up and that way is blocked in this case….
pioneer has replied to something that most DJ’s deny. The CDJ’s are still industry standard but maybe the change to laptop DJing comes closer than some would agree on.
all this new hardware and software is great but the crowd are still into hearing records they know mixed in and out of each other. human brain cant comprehend 4 samples and 2 decks at once. equpment companys are trying to out do each other spec and tech wise when really all you need is a bag full of good music.
all in one controllers where designed to be cheap and cheerful alternative to turntables and stand alone mixer for guys on a budget, what we have now is all in one systems costing a small fortune, Dj technology has reverted back to the late 70’s and early 80’s when the all in one dj console was in fashion.
I hope you guys, DJTT crew, got my twitter DM? If not, go read it!
nothing beats the S4…NI owns both the s/w and h/w!
Nothing beats it but its own lack of build quality… Im sorry to say, but , my friend that got the S4 is disapointed in the quaity… Jog wheels fall, the popin-pop out buttons for volumes are flimsy…. Some buttons are questionable…
In terms of buildquality.. the VCI-100 beats it ten times. A damn shame considering the price tag… That said… it is truly the ultimate Traktor controller.
This will never become a standard in a club but maybe for a mobile wedding DJ?!? Turntables.. mixer.. efx… still cant top it, def wont beet out S4 thoughhhhh
And don’t forgrt the awesome DENON DN-MC6000 lot less $$$$ and lot more feAtures too… just saying…
I’m waiting for the information on the Numark NS6 before I can stock on what looks to be the best option.
I sill love my V7 units with Itch. So many shades of awesome and so well made. Amazing price too.
those are some slick lookin pieces, admit it yall… those things will turn heads, pretty stuff…
aside from that, after reading through the comments im really surprised(shocked almost) that nobody has yet mentioned the fact that were going to see yet ANOTHER version of traktor made for a specific controller. personally that bothers me, it bothers me a lot. i dont want to be paying a price that will support not only the software i use, but also TScratch, then were hit with the s4 bill, but that is at the very least an NI product so im sure price was properly adjusted. but now theyre dropping another version of traktor, and theres simply no need for it. and by price(mentioned above) i mean not only the actual monetary cost, but also the fact that traktor team will now have to look after 4 programs instead of 2, wasting time keeping all up to date and running smoothly.
so yeah, i DONT want traktorV100 or traktorBCD, i want the most bang for my buck. and im seriously starting to look at deckadance(with which i was pleasantly surprised) to replace traktor at first sign of decay.
now back to controllers again, this is their article after all. aside from their undeniably nice looks, the pieces are extremely generic. there is absolutely nothing new, or even interesting going on with them. personally i dont see the market for these dual cdj+mixer type controllers being able to sustain itself much longer. as people realize that the buttons dont HAVE to be placed where they are, and midi devices can be mapped in any way, i think people will move on to more innovative controllers, like the kontrol x1, or mpk mini for those who like to mess around with production.
so yeah, those 2 pieces pictured above, theyre the ferrari and the lamborghini of pc dj’ing. people who buy them will be those who have money to burn first, and probably second and third, cuz theres simply no reason to spend that much on that little.
It’s just TPro with limitations, not a new software…
It makes no difference in the development process at NI
Just an over-priced, TPRO controller… what makes this even worse is that NI just announced a new version of TPRO (w/ sample decks etc), why wouldn’t pioneer future proof the design to allow for easy mapping of that new upcoming functionality.
Over-priced, lacking key features, and behind the curve…#EPICFAIL Pioneer, try again….
S1 is 60% more expensive than NI Kontrol S4
T1 is 40% more expensive than NI Kontrol S4
Neither deck has more features than the NI Kontrol S4.
Neither deck has anything substantial to justify the 60% & 40% price hike.
I’m not out to hate on pioneer but after spending $5,000 on equipment with old and dieing technology (cd’s) that cost’s NOWHERE in the vicinity of $5k because that technology is (to point out again) old and dieing. A cd rom drive cost’s $30…
The only thing going for pioneer… THE ONLY THING… Known reliability and build quality…
BOTH HAVE BEEN MATCHED BY NATIVE INSTRUMENTS…
Pioneer? I am never giving you thousands of dollars for old dated technology ever again.
I have to say that if you ask sound guys and club owners, Pioneer isn’t very reliable. Also, the build quality has always been extremely shoddy with the exception of the DJM 800.
I don’t even own a controller yet (the s4 is DEFINITELY on my wishlist though) and from a kind of outsider’s perspective I really don’t understand pioneer. I absolutely cannot justify buying any cdj, because to me, they are all EXTREMELY overpriced CD players. Hell, for the price of one cdj-2000, I could buy the most top of the line computer on the market. And then I have to buy two? Come on what a joke…
You forget that layout is an important part of djing.. things should make sense where they are, and you should have plenty of room using every feature. To me, the S4 has tons of features and is awesome, but things are just too close together for me
You forget that layout is an important part of djing.. things should make sense where they are, and you should have plenty of room using every feature. To me, the S4 has tons of features and is awesome, but things are just too close together for me
no thank you… priced higher than s4 with no major differentiator.
me likes serato one!! DOPE
Pioneer definitely hit the wrong pricepoint and set it way too high to actually compete with any of the controllers currently on the market.
A famous DJ once told me… Just play the damn music.
Forget the politics of whose playing, and what they are playing on.
Just Play! Gone from every type of CDJ, T1, VMS4, Kontrol S4, and guess what… The people still dance and the music still sounds the same. Tell you what i am going to do this time people. Keep what I have and most of all keep my damn money in my pocket.
Signed, 1 Less Lamb to the slaughter.
I concur… If the equipment is a true tool that expands your skills and frontiers, while staying true to the good job a DJ must do, then use it…
Preach on brother!
Amen! Play on, F what hear and what others are doing. Just do you!
Well, your right, but we have every right to rate a new product.
All the “big-boys” of house are mainly CDJs, and all us controllerists are a bit tired of it…
That’s why we are so critical when a new controller enters the market. We want to cover every inch and every nook to ensure a new “professional standard” for clubs in the controller market.
The Pioneer and the Traktor S4 are at the cutting edge of making that happen!
I would make a big deal out of that. No more CD’s for the elite.
Well, they didn’t hit a homerun, more like a double ( and not one off the wall ).
I’m really surprised at the platter design. It’s very uninspired considering how beautiful the cdj2000 platters are. I really would have thought they would have integrated some LED feedback into them other than a thin rim highlight.
I’m also not feeling the controller layout. The buttons look real small. From a usability perspective my first thought is that this system is geared more towards scratching and standard mixing. I don’t see it as a controllerist’s dream and I think you would have to work pretty hard to get this thing to do some really creative stuff.
However, I bet the build and audio quality of this thing is wicked.
This is a first gen product for them. I’m sure they are going to learn a ton and improve on it and possibly expand out to some even more advanced and gnarly models.
But…
I still like my S4 waaaay more.
Platter design? why throw a nice looking platter on the cheaper equipment. Pioneer buyers are usually aesthetically focused, thus putting the nicer platter on the cheaper (cheaper than gear in their own range, 40% to 2000% more expensive than competing gear) deck would drop sales on the more expensive deck. Why would pioneer do that? Thats just stupid.
I’m not saying they should use the 2000 decks on this but rather take some design cues and maybe up the game and help differentiate this controller from others. I don’t buy argument of this is a cheap piece of equipment so the platters should look cheap, because if they look nice people won’t buy the high end gear. Good design is good design and that can and should transcende price point.
I do agree that pioneer buyers expect more from the design of their equipment, which is why I’m confused by the argument I think you are trying to make. I don’t see these platters as up to par with their aesthetics. So how does this boring platter design help sell these units if pioneer buyers are interested in aesthetics?
WOW wtf… the itch version has xlr while the traktor version has TRS.. Sure the TRS are also balanced but why not add TRS/XLR + RCA. Also no VU Meters on the Traktor controller.
1. Pioneer is a tad late on this and
2. They should combine the 2 and have like a switch or something for itch users and Traktor users.
Still looking at mixdeck and using my Hercules MP3e2 for fx controlling and what not.
Wow FAIL. 1600 bucks for what? Nothing at all. No sample decks, no visial feedback. WTF why would i buy this. The s4 can do way more and cost’s less. Good job pionner but u fail this time. NI is still rocking the midi controller world and u just wrote ur destiny. No way in hell would i buy this
PIONEER FADERS A+ (more dynamic range)
S4 Faders C+
They are too damn short!
But I do like the S4 for the $$$$
Also, I have an X1 and I must admit that NI rocks in their button design.
Are there any gains on the pioneer????
[quote post=”10177″]PIONEER FADERS A+ (more dynamic range)
S4 Faders C+
They are too damn short![/quote]
Umm.. the S4 faders are the same length as a DJM800. 50mm.
the faders on the S4 are suuuper nice best experience I’ve had with controllers, maybe not mixers but still well above C+ maybe A-
yeah- I think I was a bit brutal -with the C+, but all the buttons and knobs A+
WOW!!! Can’t believe how many cry babies are looking at that piece of equipment and giving negative feedback. Personally I think that both of these are pretty damn nice and will probably have the best platter control on the market when it comes to scratching and feel alone! I have never been very impressed with the controllers on the market when it come to that feature. I am not into al the crazy shit and button jumping that most people are into when it comes to “controllerism” but it looks like both of these units have lots of room to work with.
Hey now i don’t think that it’s all negative feedback. i think what others (myself included) are reacting to is that these don’t really seem like products that would appeal to many DJTT readers. In addition doing things like tucking the laptop under the unit just seems like Pioneer is trying to rewrite a paradigm we’ve all become accustomed to without any real reason. Just because they think it’s a better way. I sense that there is a bit of “here’s the way you SHOULD use a midi controller” elitism with these products.
There are definitely a few things that Pioneer got right out of the gate including the pitch sliders and the needle drop strip. in addition i am sure the jogs will have a fantastic feel to them. In the end though because they are known as the standard bearer in the CDJ world and a lot of controllerists have to deal with being looked down upon by CDJ DJs, it shouldn’t be a surprised that some of us bristle at them “crossing over” into our turf that’s all.
Completely agree with ^(above)^. We aren’t “complaining” per se, just floored by the lack of innovation in a product from a company that is clearly very late to this market. I’m a scratch-artist and I hate CDJs for scratching (most of us do). Nothing will ever replace Turntables in that regard (though I will admit moving platters, like the NS7, are damn close). So saying the platters are “best scratching” in the market isn’t saying much, I would never seriously scratch with a controller.
We want products that continue to push the limit (and placing my keyboard under my unit is the stupidest thing one could do; ie more prone to spills, cant fit on a keyboard stand, can’t search songs etc).
The fact that this unit doesn’t have the layout to match the new functionality of the new Traktor coming out soon, shows Pioneer really doesn’t give a sh*t. They just slapped some stuff together, put their name on it and hope it will sell decently (which tells me they probably cut corners).
Good artists don’t want old tools in a new toolbox… we want new tools.
Keep in mind Techron, most djs, are only thinking about whats best for them and think Djs should only spin how they spin. As an old-school DJ of 20 years, I have seen many changes and many products come & go. The things that are important to me are how can a product enhance my dj experience, how long do I have before I have to upgrade, is it durable, what are my limitations, and how future proof is it? I would hate to have buy new gear every year, because on a new feature. I own a Rane 2016, which I plan to own for the next 20-30 years till it dies. Same goes for CDJ-400s, when I brought them, I looked it for the stand point, how years of service will I get? And thats why I chose it. Not sure whats the life-span of this new controller, but as Pioneer product it should be a long time.
I’m very excited Pioneer created this, because they mimicked everything I love about Pioneer CDJs. But I feel they drop the ball on the lack of meters or indicators and XLR output (which is not a deal breaker for me). How did they expect us to monitor 4 channels of mixing? Sure they’re on-screen feedback, but I like see were I am on the mixer too. Anyways…
They could have save themselves a lot money by combining the best features of both into one product and then just you an option on which DJ Software you wish install.
[quote post=”10177″]They could have save themselves a lot money by combining the best features of both into one product and then just you an option on which DJ Software you wish install[/quote]
THANK YOU!
Finally i hear it….This is definitely where i think Pioneer stuffed things up. The S1 looks way more attractive and given the visual similarities to the S4, could have been a possible competitor. Except its only for Serato so it doesn’t even matter. The T1 looks like an early prototype! It reminds me of the cdj 100. UUUGLY. If they made it with similar visual design to the 2000s and 900’s, I may have bought it just because of how sexy it would look. Everything else has been highlighted by the other posts enough so i won’t bother to repeat them….. S4 is a beautiful machine, and it is made by Traktor(NI, same thing), for Traktor. Pioneer are barking mad if they think they can just show up and best the S4. Which, currently, is better in every single way.
Not particularly wowed by the hardware, but please do note that these pitch faders are one of the few actually *high resolution* ones I’ve seen. Almost all the faders on the market for low end controllers are 7bit (128 steps) and the few that are 14bit (pitchbend) only 1-2 are 100mm faders. And in my experience even with 14bit I tend to do a coarse/fine assignement (ie, both) to get things dead on in traktor…
Now if only technics would simply release their faders attached to something that can output OSC…
The only feature i have to admit is nice is that needle drop strip. That said I have to agree that this is more for transitioning CDJ users than controllerists. It is interesting to note though how much of a CDJ is the actual transport mechanism.
Seriously, Pio…what the f***?!
These things suck. There’s no innovation, not even replicating previous useful features. I know that cuts it with CDJs because they’r reliable, but the reliability of this system has almost nothing to do with your hardware.
And what pisses me off is that people are still going to buy them. Screw that.
These things suck; there’s no denying it. If you’d brought out a single-deck controller with a pioneer platter on it like we all wanted, that would have been cool. Hell, the ‘player’ section you have is okay. I would have bought one at a reasonable price. But, that would have cut into cdj 900 and 2000 sales, so I guess that doesn’t make sense after all.
Seriously…screw you guys. If I want a deck-like traktor controller, I’ll find someone else or do without. You’re not the only shop in town.
Oh, and your mixer suck.
[quote post=”10177″]If you’d brought out a single-deck controller with a pioneer platter on it like we all wanted, that would have been cool. Hell, the ‘player’ section you have is okay. I would have bought one at a reasonable price. [/quote]
Hey, thou shalt not despair, NAMM hasn’t really gotten going yet, this is just the overture 🙂 Wouldn’t bet my money on “reasonable price”, though 😉
so theres 1 extra function to traktor T1? wow. why not include that in the normal version? why is the fader start exclusive?
oh right, pioneer started using that first…
Fader start is pretty easy to map anyway – just map deck start to your up/cross fader, and as you throw the fader the deck will start. You can set up a modifier too so you can turn the feature off and on if you don’t need it all the time.
It’s better than the S4 for non-controllerist, but for controllerist this is weak. It’ll win over a lot of CD junkies though. See this as a good thing collectively for controllerism.
consider, that the price is the suggested price, in pioneer products, is always LESS!
so if the T1 is coming with traktor, they are gonna make an update for the new one, pioneer rocks!
i want to see if A&H has something to show in NAMM
Waiting for exactly the same thing, THIS was lame. Only new thing was that they had integrated sound cards.
The most innovative things was hiding the laptop which kinda BLOWS, why would I want that, Two negative things about that, from the crowds point of view it will look like you’re simply playing straight of the laptop since it’ll look like that from the crowds angle, and HOW am I supposed to really quickly panic search for a song?
I was really sad to see how lame they both were, PLEASE A&H come up with something better on the 16th in the NAMM’s
.. Why would I want to put my keyboard under my controller.. Having a fast n’ easy way to search for tracks on the fly is one of the major benefits of dj’ing with laptops !
Fully agree. This “feature” has me puzzled too!
It’s not a bug, it’s a feature!
hiding the keyboard???how am i supposed to search?? Epic fail feature
I usually end up using the mouse to browse through… I have my music library optimized to my taste, so I know where to look for stuff. So I think this ‘feature’ allowing you to put the laptop underneath it is pretty good. Also that way, it keeps the laptop screen close, and without a laptop stand, people dont stare at the back of a laptop.
Of course the pricing is a little steep. But its Pioneer.
“Of course pricing is steep. But it’s Pioneer”
Right, so now Pioneer’s horrendous overpricing of gear is validated because “it’s Pioneer!” This new controller is a horrid attempt at competing in the new controller market, a market which sprung up mainly because DJ’s are looking for cheaper solutions. For that much money I’ll just go vinyl. The S4 dwarfs this thing in every way and vinyl dwarfs every controller in every way. There will be no replacement. Long live vinyl DJ’s.
[quote comment=”43012″]Neither bring anything new or wanted to the table very very poor effort indeed[/quote]
Well, you don’t have to. I’d do it, but I never touch the laptop
I guess no one will be throwing out those laptop stands after all…
the needle search has a shift button, so you can use it to search alfabetically.. anf then do a fine search with the search knob.. its all about get familiar with the product at the end.
I use the keyboard for searching, too, but I also like this layout so I could see the crowd better. I was thinking it would be cool to have a Bluetooth keyboard to the side or on a sliding keyboard tray under the front. That way I can type without leaning over all my equipment.
Neither bring anything new or wanted to the table very very poor effort indeed
l [quote post=”10177″]that won’t even work with the new version of Traktor coming out next month[/quote]
@DJ Dark Nite -Odds are pretty good that the T1 will have software that gets updated in parallel to Traktor- we’ll find out soon enough, hopefully.
There is no way in he’ll I am dropping $1299 for a device that won’t even work with the new version of Traktor coming out next month. Maybe if it had spinning platters I would consider it.
Disappointed.
putting my laptop under it may seem cool. but at that viewing angle I don’t think people would be as used to it and end up using a laptop stand.
both way overpriced. I’m sticking to the S4.
And more importantly, it would disable use of the keyboard. Not a cool feature.
True Korona,
I use the keybraord a lot esp. to do a quick search of a song. What were they thinking. And no VUs??? for $1200 seriously WTF Pioneer?!?!
Yeah, I am a little about the ventilation for your laptop sliding underneath and NO KEYBOARD access – WTF?
whos says u have got to slid the goddam laptop underneath?
^ exactly? just use your old laptop stand if you want and slide the legs under it then :p. and it depends on how you use your laptop. personally. i dont use mine alot. so it wouldnt bother me sliding it under. and remember. pioneer is new to the whole controller thing. haha so give them a break
lame