Written By: Freddy F
Traditional DJs using vinyl decks or CDJs can now achieve a number of amazing tricks but there are a few techniques which they can still only dream of. Long, feedback-style, dub delays is one of them. Taking advantage of Ableton’s feedback system, we can create lush, evolving sound effects. These are perfect for a chip jockey to transition from the previous DJ or to create instantaneous build-ups that will thrill the crowd. The high frequency content of these sounds alone, will make your ears tingle on the dance floor.
Here is how it works: By sending a delayed sound back into itself, the signal accumulates, feeding back into a return track. This generates an ever growing pad sound that hangs in the background, creating a “carpet” of sound that fills up the space. There is a real danger of overloading the signal when experimenting with feedback delays and you could cause damage to your equipment, sound systems and most importantly – people’s ears! So follow this step-by-step to set it up properly, and watch your levels!
BASIC SETTINGS
We first have to load a tune onto a regular Audio Track so we have some kind of signal to send into our delay unit. Rename the track “Deck1”.
Load a Ping Pong delay onto a Return Track. Check if you have a free Return Track using the shortcut (CMD+ALT+R (Mac) or CTRL+ALT+R (PC)), this will show/hide them. Create one if necessary using this shortcut (CMD+ALT+T (Mac) or CTRL+ALT+T (PC)) and rename it “feedback”. Load a Ping Pong delay onto it and set it as follow:
- Dry/wet ratio on 100% wet
- Feedback at 51%
- Synced Delay time on 3
- Filter frequency from 600Hz to 7KHz
Basic Mapping
We now need to map some parameters to our controller to turn this technique into a hands-on effect. If your MIDI controller allows it, set one of your controller switches into “momentary” mode; so that when you press it, it sends an “on” message and when you release it, it sends an “off” message (this is done via your controller’s internal control panel or via a software editor). Then, assign it to control the send dial on “Deck 1” (the one which goes to your “feedback” return track) by entering MIDI map mode (select Edit MIDI Map from the program’s Options menu). Once done, this mapping will enable you to send short bursts of sound into your delay unit.
Now, let’s enable the send dial on the Return Track itself. This knob comes disabled as a default so right click onto it and choose “Enable send”. So if you used “Return Track A”, right click on the corresponding “Send A” knob. To control the amount of signal you send back into your effect, map one of your controller faders to this “send dial”. When the mapping browser window pops open you will want to reduce its range from -20dB to -8dB in the relevant boxes.
That’s it – the basic settings have been done. Run the tune and send a short burst of sound into the delay using your momentary switch. Once the delay is working (you will see the signal in the return track meter), raise your fader (the one assigned to the send dial on the return track) all the way up to feedback the sound. Be ready to turn it back down if the sound grows too loud – it will happen.
KEY TIP: Playing with your fader, you can hold the feedback in place but like everything with controllerism this takes a little practice to get it right.
Safety measures
Firstly, let’s set up a safety system to prevent our signal to overload our Master Track. We could load a limiter right after the Ping Pong delay itself but this will strongly colour the sound of the feedback (you might actually want to try this as this coloration helps the sound cutting through a mix nicely) so we have to do a little work around here.
We need to send the signal from Return Track into a regular Audio Track. To do so, create a new Audio Track and rename it something like “feedback safe”. Open the “in/out” section of the mixer ((CMD+ALT + I (Mac) or CTRL+ALT+I (PC)) and send the “feedback” Return Track to the “Feedback safe” Track using its “Audio To” section.
Enable the “Feedback safe” Audio Track to receive this signal by setting its monitor switch to “In”. That’s it – the feedbacked signal will now flow through this audio track before hitting the Master Track.
Now, let’s add two effects onto this “Feedback safe” track:
- An Auto-Filter effect set as a high pass, to help us shape the colour of the feedback
- A Limiter after the Auto-Filter to prevent our signal from overloading our Master Track
To control these, you should map your Auto-Filter frequency to a controller fader and reduce its range from 200 Hz to 20 KHz. This setting will remove any unwanted low frequencies that could muddy up your output signal.
Now, you should be able to control your feedback using the two faders you have mapped so far. These two levels of sound shaping enable you to play around with the sound and adapt it to your performance.
Delay time
Finally, you can enhance your setup further by changing the delay time while the feedback is happening. The Ping Pong delay allows us to choose three different behaviors when changing its delay time. Right-click onto its name to find the three functions:
- Repitch: mimics the behaviour of an analogue tape delay where the pitch of the sound changes with the delay time.
- Fade: creates a crossfade between the old and new delay times.
- Jump: immediately jumps to the new delay time, though this setting will create audible clicks.
We could simply map a controller fader to the Ping Pong delay time but we wouldn’t be able to reduce the range so instead we need to load our Ping Pong delay into an Audio Effect Rack.
- Right click onto the Ping Pong delay name and choose the “Group” function.
- Once the Ping Pong is in the rack, right click onto its sync delay time area and map it to Macro 1.
- Map Macro 1 to a controller fader and reduce its range in the mapping browser.
- A range from 0 to 80 gives you delay times from 1/16 to 1/3 of a bar but should experiment with various settings to get it to work the way you want.
Congratulations! You have just added one of the most powerful Live performance techniques to your arsenal. Using this momentary switch and the three faders we have mapped, you can now create instantaneous feedback loops over your set. Once you have mastered this basic implementation, you could develop it even further by creating a multi-delay effect rack or add some side-chaining to your return track.
Have fun and beware of the feedback demon!
This article was written by Freddy Frogs, an instructor at Point Blank. To find out more and get 1-2-1 feedback on your music check out Freddy’s DJ/Performance online course with Ableton Live at http://www.pointblankonline.net/dj-and-live-performance—ableton.php
Used the tap delay at 1.45 here https://soundcloud.com/wild-quixote/inna-dance-hall-styley-digital and at 0.25 here https://soundcloud.com/wild-quixote/thai-grade-a-far-east for that dubbed out vibe!
Sounding good!
Used a similarly programmed effect at 1.45 here https://soundcloud.com/wild-quixote/inna-dance-hall-styley-digital and 0.25 here https://soundcloud.com/wild-quixote/thai-grade-a-far-east to get a dubbed vibe!
Tried it, but not really digging it. Ah well, too bad…
Tried it, but not really digging it. Ah well, too bad…
Hmmmm. A little rough. Doesn’t really explain the advantages of “rolling you own” feedback loop as opposed to just using the built in feedback on the delay devices.
I have a Rack I created that I will be distributing as soon as I can suss out making a proper video tutorial for it. The routing is pretty advanced but it is self contained in the Rack and the techniques used can be applied to other concepts and will open a world of possibilities to those who fully grok it.
Hi there Aaron,
Thanks for the feedback. I agree, the article doesn’t explain why this method is different from using the delay internal feedback loop.
It would be nice to see this Rack of yours as i am sure this whole technique could be streamlined via a Rack.
Freddy
My method is simply to put a delay on a return channel and enable the send on that return, allowing it to feed back into itself.
isn’t that what he did?
Hi there Lephrenic,
You could very well keep it to what you are proposing but the advantage of using a routing channel is that you do not get the digital sound you ‘d get if you ‘d load the limiter directly onto the return channel. Also, you would loose your feedback loop if you ‘d load the filter directly onto the Return.
Cheers
Freddy
Hey,
Thanks for all the feedback everybody. Positive or negative, we appreciate hearing what you have to say.
Konstantin – Maybe I’m misunderstanding your question, but the video is at the top of the post. You can catch the rest of the series and other Ableton Tutorials by subscribing to our youtube channel though @ >> http://www.youtube.com/pointblankonline
For everybody who has more technical and specific questions about the post, Freddy Cuin will be coming online later today to answer all of your questions.
Thanks,
James – Point Blank
Hey,
Thanks for all the feedback everybody. Positive or negative, we appreciate hearing what you have to say.
Konstantin – Maybe I’m misunderstanding your question, but the video is at the top of the post. You can catch the rest of the series and other Ableton Tutorials by subscribing to our youtube channel though @ >> http://www.youtube.com/pointblankonline
For everybody who has more technical and specific questions about the post, Freddy Cuin will be coming online later today to answer all of your questions.
Thanks,
James – Point Blank
Hey,
Thanks for all the feedback everybody. Positive or negative, we appreciate hearing what you have to say.
Konstantin – Maybe I’m misunderstanding your question, but the video is at the top of the post. You can catch the rest of the series and other Ableton Tutorials by subscribing to our youtube channel though @ >> http://www.youtube.com/pointblankonline
For everybody who has more technical and specific questions about the post, Freddy Cuin will be coming online later today to answer all of your questions.
Thanks,
James – Point Blank
hmmmmmmm……good but not great!
hmmmmmmm……good but not great!
You need to be using a good set of cans or speakers to reach this range of frequency if you dont your really dont get the full effect.
You need to be using a good set of cans or speakers to reach this range of frequency if you dont your really dont get the full effect.
Yeaaahh loving the new ableton specific post. Going to try this when I get my APC 40.
Yeaaahh loving the new ableton specific post. Going to try this when I get my APC 40.
Nice to see an article that goes back to the roots. The forefathers of electronic music come from Jamaica, lest we forget.
Plus, Ableton tuts are a treat. I’m slowly getting the hang of this beast.
Now what about the remastering old tracks in ableton tut you promised us Ean? Was really looking forward to that one.
Keep the tutorials comin’
cheers
Nice to see an article that goes back to the roots. The forefathers of electronic music come from Jamaica, lest we forget.
Plus, Ableton tuts are a treat. I’m slowly getting the hang of this beast.
Now what about the remastering old tracks in ableton tut you promised us Ean? Was really looking forward to that one.
Keep the tutorials comin’
cheers
Nice to see an article that goes back to the roots. The forefathers of electronic music come from Jamaica, lest we forget.
Plus, Ableton tuts are a treat. I’m slowly getting the hang of this beast.
Now what about the remastering old tracks in ableton tut you promised us Ean? Was really looking forward to that one.
Keep the tutorials comin’
cheers
I had to turn up the feeback on the Pingpong delay to get this to work to about 75
I had to turn up the feeback on the Pingpong delay to get this to work to about 75
I had to turn up the feeback on the Pingpong delay to get this to work to about 75
Great. Tutorial. Ableton FTW.
Great. Tutorial. Ableton FTW.
Great. Tutorial. Ableton FTW.
NICE READ
NICE READ
NICE READ
Ean, Freddy F or who ever wrote this article, can we get back to the quality content from about a year ago please, this is starting to get a bit like the many blog keyword optimised diluted mainstream blah blah that’s all over the web…..
I love your site, I bought a Midi Fighter, please bring back to the quality (not internet quantity)
Ean, Freddy F or who ever wrote this article, can we get back to the quality content from about a year ago please, this is starting to get a bit like the many blog keyword optimised diluted mainstream blah blah that’s all over the web…..
I love your site, I bought a Midi Fighter, please bring back to the quality (not internet quantity)
Ean, Freddy F or who ever wrote this article, can we get back to the quality content from about a year ago please, this is starting to get a bit like the many blog keyword optimised diluted mainstream blah blah that’s all over the web…..
I love your site, I bought a Midi Fighter, please bring back to the quality (not internet quantity)
sorry to hear this article was not up to your standards (I did not write it) can you please provide examples of articles that you did find helpful and would like to see more of? We are always working to improve and refine the quality.
Ean I have to say of all the sites Ive read through yours in particular has a better filtering system setup to weed out the not so helpful articles.. I think this person is just having a Biased view against Ableton. (Yes i DJ with tracktor and Ableton)
Ean I have to say of all the sites Ive read through yours in particular has a better filtering system setup to weed out the not so helpful articles.. I think this person is just having a Biased view against Ableton. (Yes i DJ with tracktor and Ableton)
Ean I have to say of all the sites Ive read through yours in particular has a better filtering system setup to weed out the not so helpful articles.. I think this person is just having a Biased view against Ableton. (Yes i DJ with tracktor and Ableton)
sorry to hear this article was not up to your standards (I did not write it) can you please provide examples of articles that you did find helpful and would like to see more of? We are always working to improve and refine the quality.
sorry to hear this article was not up to your standards (I did not write it) can you please provide examples of articles that you did find helpful and would like to see more of? We are always working to improve and refine the quality.
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8d70sR8lWI
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8d70sR8lWI
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8d70sR8lWI
Ok this guy is an idiot i just got half way through the settings and when you set it to Monitor In…its monitoring the sound from my internal soundcard….i.e…my mic!!
Ok this guy is an idiot i just got half way through the settings and when you set it to Monitor In…its monitoring the sound from my internal soundcard….i.e…my mic!!
Ok this guy is an idiot i just got half way through the settings and when you set it to Monitor In…its monitoring the sound from my internal soundcard….i.e…my mic!!
I don’t know if this is helpful but you can change your input settings in your preferences and turn off the mic.
I don’t know if this is helpful but you can change your input settings in your preferences and turn off the mic.
I don’t know if this is helpful but you can change your input settings in your preferences and turn off the mic.
Hi there DJew,
You need to set your Audio from to “No input” and this problem of yours will be sorted… As simple as that!
Any comments that start with “this guy is an idiot” tells me how unsafe YOU feel in this world. Try beeing nice and see that it won’t hurt you.
LeRobot
myspace.com/LeRobot.Stormbass
Any comments that start with “this guy is an idiot” tells me how unsafe YOU feel in this world. Try beeing nice and see that it won’t hurt you.
LeRobot
myspace.com/LeRobot.Stormbass
Dubstep people should implement this into their sets a lot, I need more dubwibes in my dubstep!
Dubstep people should implement this into their sets a lot, I need more dubwibes in my dubstep!
Dubstep people should implement this into their sets a lot, I need more dubwibes in my dubstep!
I can’t hear this in my head… an example would be nice.
I can’t hear this in my head… an example would be nice.
I can’t hear this in my head… an example would be nice.
Well yeah, I was hoping to hear an example. I use delay feedback in Traktor and wanted to hear what more can be done in Abelton. Thanks for the post, though!
Well yeah, I was hoping to hear an example. I use delay feedback in Traktor and wanted to hear what more can be done in Abelton. Thanks for the post, though!
Well yeah, I was hoping to hear an example. I use delay feedback in Traktor and wanted to hear what more can be done in Abelton. Thanks for the post, though!
Nice, how about a video? I’d really like to hear the effect in action without doing it myself..
Nice, how about a video? I’d really like to hear the effect in action without doing it myself..
Hi there Konstantin,
The video supplied with the tutorial goes through a similar set up. It is slightly different now but the video will give you a idea of what we are trying to achieve here.
Safe
Freddy
Nice, how about a video? I’d really like to hear the effect in action without doing it myself..
Great write up – but it could have been done in 2 words.
TAL and DUB.
😉
Hi there Buffalo,
You course of course use third party delays to implement this technique but the routings and set up would still take you more than 2 words to go though i reckon.
Safe
Freddy
Great write up – but it could have been done in 2 words.
TAL and DUB.
😉
Great write up – but it could have been done in 2 words.
TAL and DUB.
😉
Dub dubbedi duuub ! 😛
Much love 🙂
Dub dubbedi duuub ! 😛
Much love 🙂
Dub dubbedi duuub ! 😛
Much love 🙂
Not gonna lie, this is wayyy over my head. Not saying I didn’t understand it (I did), I just wouldn’t be able to use this technique in anything I produce or spin… but it does give me some idea for a some other ways to incorporate it
Not gonna lie, this is wayyy over my head. Not saying I didn’t understand it (I did), I just wouldn’t be able to use this technique in anything I produce or spin… but it does give me some idea for a some other ways to incorporate it
Not gonna lie, this is wayyy over my head. Not saying I didn’t understand it (I did), I just wouldn’t be able to use this technique in anything I produce or spin… but it does give me some idea for a some other ways to incorporate it