- Product: DJS-1000
- Manufacturer: Pioneer DJ
- Availability: Late October (get yours from the DJTT shop)
- Price: $1,199
DJS-1000: Pioneer’s Standalone Champion?
Over the last few days we’ve seen a _lot_ of hints and speculation about what this new DJS-1000 would look like. Our initial analysis of the photos from Dirtybird Campout seem to be nearly perfect. Pioneer DJ is really targeting DJs who are already using a full CDJ setup and getting them to add a new creative element to their mixes: sampling and sequencing.
Here’s the features in these new units (we slimmed down Pioneer DJ’s press release to make it more readable):
- Step sequencer: create a new groove by tapping the 16 large, multicolored step input keys. See sequence information on each track with the keys’ changing colors.
- Multicolored Performance Pads: 16 large rubber pads to trigger the tracks you’ve assigned samples and loops to. Each one has multicolored illumination and highly accurate velocity detection
- Touch strip: Quickly change the pitch when using the pitch bend feature, or play a drum roll by using the note repeat feature. There are two user modes – customize parameters to your linking.
- 7-inch full-color touch screen
- Syncing with various external devices: Clock synchronization with MIDI devices as well as Beat Sync. This can synchronize a performance by beat/bar with a track playing on a CDJ-2000NXS2 or XDJ-1000MK2 set-up using PRO DJ LINK. Use the tempo slider and the nudge buttons to quickly adjust tempo and beat position manually
- Live Sampling: Sample input sounds and immediately use them as individual tracks. The sampled sounds are automatically synchronized with the current sequence to play in a loop, so they can be dropped straight into a live remix. You can sample any input source, including audio from a turntable, via your mixer.
- FX: You can apply FX such as echo, reverb and filter to individual tracks, a group of tracks, or all tracks.
- The DJS-1000 is designed to fit perfectly alongside the CDJ-2000NXS2 and DJM-900NXS2.
- Support for USB devices – manage your projects and samples easily
- Over 2,500 on-board Loopmasters samples – start performing with the DJS-1000 straight out the box
- Support for DJS-TSP Project Creator 2 – easily create projects and SCENE 3 files on a PC/Mac
- Support for project files created on the TORAIZ SP-16
Pad Modes
Let’s be clear: most of the features within the DJS-1000 were already present on the TORAIZ SP-16 sampler that launched in April 2016. The big difference on the DJS is that it has a few unique modes that behave a bit differently than the TORAIZ. KiNK talks about them in the above intro video.
What About Routing?
This one is important: to properly integrate a DJS-1000 into a setup, you need a way to send signal into it from any deck. There’s only 1 pair of 1/4: inputs (and two outputs, 1/4″ and RCA). This means the most ideal setup is to have dedicated Send/Return FX on a mixer, allowing you to send any deck to the DJS-1000.
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After seeing one demo’ed (Thank you for instagram), I have come to the conclusion that this thing is ugly as hell. The Toraiz SP16 still looks beautiful tho.
What is with the whining over 32 sec sample limit? If you need more use your DAW for you kick ass 2hr sample. This is not as deep as the MPC or Elektron devices. The reason being b/c it is performance oriented. 32 secs is more than plenty for its intended use. As for DSI filters…if you need it buy the Toriaz SP-16. It is like a bunch kids crying for the sake of crying in forums like this. I am not exactly a Pioneer annoy myself but I can recognize their genius.
From a purple performance perspective, live sample is a gimmick. I have owned Elektron’s OT and know that machinen inside out and had crazy routing from Tracktor to Live to achieve same results and realized it was not worth the effort. If you are playing a set mixing two decks, building a sequence that is pretty much a lot to handle. After twenty years at this I am happy to be able to bring the sounds of my hardware into a rugged sampler with just a pen drive. For those crying about damaging a pen drive buy 4 of them and stop crying. Hell of a lot better than your own gear getting busted up over spilled liquids. If this still isn’t enough then design your own product. The arguments can get really silly here….
Nah. The SP16 is a more capable device than this. It’s just a CDJ footprint. More can be done with maschine + Denon Prime or Ableton + Denon Prime or maschine + Traktor.They lost the analog filters and 8 outputs. No longer a proper studio device, just a toy to use with the cdj toys.
Rubbish
Do you consider this sampler better than Maschine MK3?
Well, you still need a laptop to load your samples onto a usb flash drive.
If they add playhead support from prodjlink (making toRaiz/Djs1000 able to get scratched like Remix Decks) it will be great. It’s doable but maybe not worth the investment.
This is basically an SP-16 in a different case. Sample length is limited to 32 seconds on the SP-16 and I expect the DJS-1000 to be no different especially considering the mention of a 32 second sampling length limit on page 31 of the DJS-1000 manual. Yes, I know that’s talking about realtime sampling but take it from a former SP-16 owner that the DJS-1000 will almost assuredly have the same limitation. Oddly enough, had the DJS-1000 been released first instead of the SP-16 I’d likely still have it as I think it excels as a DJ tool for live beat creation. When it was released the SP-16 had a brief moment of being the only hardware sampler with a large touch screen and fast workflow on the market but then the MPC Live was released and as a production device, the SP-16 simply cannot compete. I think it sounds great but it’s missing way too many things to be anywhere near the same playing field as what AKAI is offering. Back to the 32 second sample limit, I’d love to be wrong and have the DJS-1000 function as a jogless CDJ but I doubt it will happen.
Damn that sucks. I don’t know why anyone can’t make a decent sampler with a long sample length.
Some people just want a long drone or some shit playing.
I had that Akai MPX which could do long samples, but switching sample banks deadass took MINUTES.
My 404 is rad but can only do 6 stereo samples at a time.
It’s a fucking $1300 sampler and they could only get 256 mb of ram in there?
The people want more of 32 seconds to put FULL acapellas inside!!!
To do this its better use a cdj with acapellas ( and dont have work to cut or edit sounds)!
Hello people, this is a sample and the name ¨sample” say everything….” SAMPLEEE” jus t a sample, you must work doing something too, right.
Then enjoy TOraiz SP-16 or DJS-1000
If you want see some videos of Toraiz you can go : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbUpnm2tCWa4a97ohsCfkJktzraX5XdGE
WTF you just copied and pasted my response from much further down the page? Who does that?!?!?!
So basically a light version of Ableton Push 2, but designed to work in a DJ setting, not a DAW environment.
You don’t need a computer, it can sample from its own inputs (and can save into the pendrive). It’s explained at the article.
If this could play a whole track, maybe CDJ use would drop… I’m assuming someone can perform their original tracks on this(finger drum etc and there’s a photo on another site with two DJS-1000s +DJM), but the 32sec sampling time mmmmmmmmm………..Correction: since it has sequencer, you can loop samples to perform tracks… curious now.
yep but you can’t “perform your tracks” (i.e. trigger patterns) with the pads. only with the step seq buttons. ruins the fun IMO
i never really got the idea of ‘prepare everything on your laptop, put it on a usb stick and perform with it’
just the bring the laptop where you prepared it on in the first place, and do your show like that
*insert any laptop based dj software*
The point is you can prepare on the laptop and use it across the full serie, even those you can afford for bedroom djing like nexus.
Also going to the club just with one pendrive that can be damage by any kind of liquid meanwhile the clube gear is covered by insrance makes your job less gear risky.
We can agree on Pioneer way of thinking… or not but almost it makes a lot of sense for some many professional djs whose are their mainly users.
if it would work with Ableton, what’s the point with this DJS-1000 while you can buy Push 2 ?!Let’s face it, this is useless colorful pads with a price of all the competitors together.If i’ve been Pioneer CEO, i would show the door to whom suggested this idea on the first place.
It’s not marketed at Ableton dj’s – it’s aimed at djs’s who play on Pioneer’s cdj’s.
In the case you need to prepare songs from a computer it doesn’t need to be a mac since it’s an offline process in the security environment of your home. Any cheap laptop could do it.
If you go live with a cheap laptop you will find why people prefer go standalone or mac. If you take the mac in the equation this unit is even cheaper. That’s the Pioneer proposal for certain dj market. It will not be the definitive replacement for ableton or Maschine users but it could be an alternative even for remix decks users.
Interesting. Although I don’t understand why It doesn’t just sync up with the sampler in Rekordbox 5. The computer software for this seems to be a seperate piece.on that note, i don’t get the omission of the sequence buttons on the DDJ-XP1. In a sense that you can have the XP1 with Rekordbox at home to prepare, load your files to USB and use CDJ’s and this DJS-1000 with one USB over Link.
No, it’s a 32 seconds limit, sampled, playback or whatever. Exactly like the Toraiz SP-16. Also confirmed by Pioneer today over at DJWORX.COM”The current spec is 32 seconds per track meaning you can play 16 tracks of 32 at the same time. The concept of this product would complement a set up and not replace a CDJ for example. “
That figures, you could just loop 8 bars on each pad and then sequence?
Pretty damn significant.
For that money you can buy ableton live 9 suite + the Push 2 controller(1099 euros could be lil more in usd)
The push2 has so many benefits and with Max for live there are dozens of options to add to your personalized dj-producer-setup..
I am still learning and i might be busy the rest of my life to explore the almost unlimmited options this controller and sofware have.Also very easy to use as a sampler for serato with the Link connection. Easy to built a bridge between serato and ableton…For more funn its easy to add some Midi controllers to ableton and or serato…..i have aVCI400(with excellent audio)a VCM600 and an APC mini but the APC40 mk2 is also a very good alternative to add for the mobile DJ.(The APC 40 mk2 comes with led-lighted knobs for the darker DJ-Booths)
And i didnt even mentioned the sampler function or the step seqencer and the dozen of instruments who are included in the live 9 sofware…….
In theory you can buy an APC40mk2 for euro 333 and its included ableton live lite…This lite version will do the job for most of the functions in ableton….Then there will be lots of money left to buy an excellent soundcart/interface for your mobile option and for your homestudio option…who needs pioneer?…
Be creativ and start your personallized DJ/producer setup write now….greetings Petrus
Don’t forget to add the cost of the laptop if comparing prices.
You don’t need one for the DJS-1000.
Well, you still need a laptop to load your samples onto a usb flash drive.
But not for sampling directly onto this unit.
true.
Good point Nicky?Almost forgot the USB jockeys out there????? Cheers
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1. They should have bumped the specs inside to overcome things like 32 second sample limit.
2. Dave smith filters should have stayed
3. Denon already beat Pioneer this year in any “DJ setup war” with Prime, so that is a separate discussion – unless of course your version of Djing is just pushing a play button and twisting an eq/filter to blend in every 5 mins.
4. I loved my SP16. It needed a v2 with internal drive bay, internal battery & higher specs to really beat maschine/MPC Live.
5. I LOVE that someone finally added a pitch fader to a sampler. I’ve asked for years. Nice job.
6. This looks like fun, but so is the SP16, and it has 8 outputs – for bouncing to your DAW.
7. Maschine mk3 isn’t standalone, but now it’s so close that you don’t notice your laptop off in the corner with the screen blacked out…
This could have ROCKED, but it’s missing a few things. Oh well. It’ll sell to someone.
Oct 18 2017: The Day Pioneer Killed Traktor. This is what the remix deck always wanted to be. Sequencer UX could use some work but the hardware UI is abstract enough that a firmware update could resolve these issues. Take a moment to appreciate how few ‘single purpose’ components were used… the pitch fader and volume knob seem to be the only dedicated components, everything else (rgb pads, encoders, touchstrip, touchscreen) can be re-purposed on the fly based on user context. It night nt be perfect but they sure are on to something.
This hasn’t killed anything! You can still do more with Ableton & Traktor with 2 Xones K2’s/Traktor D2’s and a Push with money to spare. And before you say it’s more if you include the laptop, it isn’t, you still need a laptop to upload samples and such to the DJS. In actual fact, Rekordbox isn’t even compatible.
You don’t need a computer, it can sample from its own inputs (and can save into the pendrive). It’s explained at the article.
Nah. The SP16 is a more capable device than this. It’s just a CDJ footprint. More can be done with maschine + Denon Prime or Ableton + Denon Prime or maschine + Traktor.
They lost the analog filters and 8 outputs. No longer a proper studio device, just a toy to use with the cdj toys.
I’m hoping this will be the equivalent of a Traktor remix deck and Ean Golden’s Drum sequencer
scenes cannot be triggered with the performance pads.
I’m not interested anymore.
i bet they can fix that via firmware update
Shouldn’t have to. They’ve had time to see what others are doing & they didn’t follow their market. Sad.
Make the SP16 specs match the MPC Live and retain DSI analog parts + 8 outputs & add a phono ground.
It’s not a magical formula, but they ignored it.
I’m not sure Pioneer would benefit from this. It could make this hardware too great actually.
if we are able to load tracks chopped in samples directly triggered via the performance pads as patterns (i.e. cutting each other like 16 hotcues and loops), there is no reason to use CDJ2000s anymore for plenty of DJs. and CDJ2000nxs2 (the standard now) are sold at a way higher price. if DJs start to ask for DJS1000s instead of CDJ2000s for their gigs that would be their loss .
but yep, that would be great 😉
And now all little EDM DJ can convert their stupid DJ Set in LIVE DJ Set just using a 4/4 kick all the time.
And trigger effects with no sense! woooh!
“Look at me, mom! i can play techno easilly now!”
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This is amazing!
Finally!
So basically a light version of Ableton Push 2, but designed to work in a DJ setting, not a DAW environment.
yep thats about it
I can say first hand that the sampling sucks on the DDJ-RZ , unintuitiv and clunky. Can anyone say with actual knowledge that Pioneer has made improvements to the flow?
Yes. Sampling with the Toraiz SP16 was simple, quick, and easy with a very simplified workflow.
FINALLY !!!
I’ve been waiting for a decent stand for my Maschine Mk3 🙂
now i can place it with the right height next to my mixer.
Having the same footprint as a CDJ is so useful!
The footprint is almost the only thing I can see over the SP16 for Pioneer users. Otherwise, not so sure it’s a game-changer.
I def agree. the SP16 is a better unit.
But I think we’ll be seeing more of the DJS-1000’s in booths purely because they’ll fit snuggly next to CDJs.
So is there a way to route each individual track from the xone 92 aux sends and maybe bus that together to one output and input that into the DJS 1000 to be able to use FX across the board. Basically add a little mixer inbetween the xone92 and DJS 1000. That would be neat in the set up I think if it works
Well… The DJ platform war may be over…
Pioneer delivers a devastating blow to its competitors…
Pretty damn significant.
Agree Mark Looking forward to this
You mean deviating like to their own customers who already own the SP16 with promised but failed to deliver FW?
Devastating indeed
Rubbish. Pioneer gave a detailed roadmap of features, updates and timings and then delivered on all of them. They only delayed the last update so they could add more features specifically requested from users. How is that a bad thing? The only thing that is devastating is your lack of understanding how the real world actually works.
Rubbish
No digital I/O?
… watch Pioneer include this on the DJS-2000 and charge hundreds of dollars more for it…
I’m disappointed that it doesn’t play full tracks via rekordbox or have the dave smith filter… the 2 things that would make it much more notable imo
Yep agree, I was expecting at least compatiblity with Rekordbox… Having separate workflows for devices that are supposed to work closely together doesn’t make much sense imho. The Dave Smith filter is, I think, more understandable, as Pioneer DJ needs to justify the price difference between both units.
Yeah, not having the Dave Smith Filter is a bit of a disappointment!
What software is it running with?
No software is needed.
It must be magic
Is it also possible to play whole track? To use the DJS-1000 also as a spare deck?
I believe it is possible to put a whole track as a sample under a pad, and then have it play synced. So theoretically you could play 4 banks x 16 pads = 64 tracks at once from this machine.
Not true. Each track is limited to a maximum of 32 seconds.
aha, i stand corrected!
well that sucks.
btw what is you source ? I can’t find anything about these 32 secs.
page 25 of the manual!
http://docs.pioneerdj.com/Manuals/DJS_1000_DRI1489A_manual/?_ga=2.22828152.21916696.1508243245-386428624.1432299483
thanks
That’s not what that says. “…sampling up to the maximum of 32 seconds is performed.” The manual says it will SAMPLE up to 32 seconds in realtime. It does not specify what the maximum length of a loaded sample can be. Hopefully it will load & play back longer files from USB media.
No, it’s a 32 seconds limit, sampled, playback or whatever. Exactly like the Toraiz SP-16. Also confirmed by Pioneer today over at DJWORX.COM
“The current spec is 32 seconds per track meaning you can play 16 tracks of 32 at the same time. The concept of this product would complement a set up and not replace a CDJ for example. “
Thanks for the update. I was just pointing out that the manual didn’t explicitly say that =)
No worries man, I don’t want people to get their hopes up. I think it’s a shame we can’t use longer samples too.
This is basically an SP-16 in a different case. Sample length is limited to 32 seconds on the SP-16 and I expect the DJS-1000 to be no different especially considering the mention of a 32 second sampling length limit on page 31 of the DJS-1000 manual. Yes, I know that’s talking about realtime sampling but take it from a former SP-16 owner that the DJS-1000 will almost assuredly have the same limitation. Oddly enough, had the DJS-1000 been released first instead of the SP-16 I’d likely still have it as I think it excels as a DJ tool for live beat creation. When it was released the SP-16 had a brief moment of being the only hardware sampler with a large touch screen and fast workflow on the market but then the MPC Live was released and as a production device, the SP-16 simply cannot compete. I think it sounds great but it’s missing way too many things to be anywhere near the same playing field as what AKAI is offering. Back to the 32 second sample limit, I’d love to be wrong and have the DJS-1000 function as a jogless CDJ but I doubt it will happen.
TBH, the ONE reason to get an SP-16/DJS-1000 instead of Octatrack or MPC or other sampler is purely because of ProDJ Link. If you’re a CDJ DJ, then having the tempo and sample info between decks is fantastic. Not having to worry about your sampler coming out of sync of your tracks if you’re performing solo is essential.
If they add playhead support from prodjlink (making toRaiz/Djs1000 able to get scratched like Remix Decks) it will be great. It’s doable but maybe not worth the investment.
Different beasts and different workflow. The problems is about the price and how Pioneer from its adquisition by fund raising capital venture seems to have changed a bit their standards marketing an unfinished product and releasing firmware updates btw. It wasn’t the usual strategy like they have done with this new; presentation and release. Maybe they are catching the momentum…
but it would still be a sampler only. I think they could have done a better job here. If you could switch between sampler view and deck view they would have made a Kontrol D2 killer. And have 16 cue point to play with :-). Also the djs-1000 could then gain quicker acceptance by dj’s ‘oh it just a cdj without jogdail. I can work with that. Hey it’s also a sampler :-)!’
If this could play a whole track, maybe CDJ use would drop… I’m assuming someone can perform their original tracks on this(finger drum etc and there’s a photo on another site with two DJS-1000s +DJM), but the 32sec sampling time mmmmmmmmm………..Correction: since it has sequencer, you can loop samples to perform tracks… curious now.
That figures, you could just loop 8 bars on each pad and then sequence?
That’s possible but unfortunately the prep must be done on a computer first then loaded to a flash drive because of the 32 second sample limitation. Now if Pioneer would allow us to load a whole track into the sample editor and edit it into 8 bar sections from the unit it would be a lot more powerful.
You can sample directly but this is focused to their cdj users which can use them as that “editor” almost looping and resampling from external source. Computer (any cheap not necessary a mac) can help but it’s not necessary.
There is room for improvement and Pioneer should do it but it’s not so “fail” as people seems to want. As a disclaimer I have to say I’m not Pioneer user at all but I see the potential on this unit now Apple seems gone crazy with their computers…
I’m not saying the DJS-1000 or SP-16 are a “fail” but there are certainly unnecessary limitations like the 32 second sample limit. I’ve read why Pioneer has implemented it and I agree on some of their points but there is no reason that they could not implement an “offline” edit mode so that full tracks could be sliced into 8 bar sections. As a CDJ user, it would simply save me the step of having to sample into the unit when I’m wanting to use tracks already on the network and I wouldn’t have to rename the track sections since they would already be named properly. The way I DJ rarely requires me to beat match since my whole library is already gridded and cued perfectly. An offline edit mode on the DJS-1000 would allow me to ditch CDJ’s entirely and replace them with DJS-1000’s.
My comment about “fail” wasn’t directly towards you 😉
I’m agree about “room for improvement” and “necessity of more in machine edit tools” including offline ones and bypassing ram issues that could bring glitches over realtime reproduction (I wonder there were those reasons you point). It’s obvious they should integrate better pro link between units if they want to make this one “the groovebox cdj” and in addition to any computer tool they want to add, they should give it proper edit tools to keep it computerless too and make easier share songs over pendrive. I hope be right, if not, all the claims about overpriced and computer dependency will be true and then I will be the first to shout FAIL. XD
Let’s see how Pioneer manages it. This is the second sampler unit they release (this new era) without being totally cooked before release. That gives a bit less trust than usually Pioneer strategy and fails could made the brand wrong.
Like the response below, still limited….. I think my Launchpad/Remixlive app is more flexible or other products out. Selling point here would Pioneer Dj prolink/sync with CDJs.
Agreed.
Interesting. Although I don’t understand why It doesn’t just sync up with the sampler in Rekordbox 5. The computer software for this seems to be a seperate piece.
on that note, i don’t get the omission of the sequence buttons on the DDJ-XP1. In a sense that you can have the XP1 with Rekordbox at home to prepare, load your files to USB and use CDJ’s and this DJS-1000 with one USB over Link.
There is a long discussion in Pioneer Forum about the use of Ableton Link (https://forums.pioneerdj.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/206877486-Link-rekordbox-and-ableton-live), I agree completely that if Rekorbox support ableton Link we can have several new possibilities but my guess is that Pioneer do not want to open their ecosystem to support this type of funcionality.
Ableton Link was released in end of 2015, today exist more than 150 Aplications supporting it so is clear that this is not the priority for Pioneer what make clear with this new release.
if it would work with Ableton, what’s the point with this DJS-1000 while you can buy Push 2 ?!
Let’s face it, this is useless colorful pads with a price of all the competitors together.
If i’ve been Pioneer CEO, i would show the door to whom suggested this idea on the first place.
I think it’s a great idea, it may not be original but why would a company let any other competitor into their eco system such as Ableton Push? This is a smart move by them and CDJ DJs will get one to go with their decks.
I wish i could actually afford CDJ2000 Nexus2 the price of them are ridiculous
Money-wise this seems even cheap alternative to macbook+controller+software (Ableton or Maschine) and Pioneer has also rekordbox and they are expanding the controller proposal with ddj xp1. Probably adding improvements to Rekordbox sampler to take profit of the whole serie. At the moment they have planned the dedicated app but that is for non Rekordbox users probaly. Pioneer usually fills all gaps to being the defacto standard. We can be agree with its strategy or not but seems coherent almost.
There’s no point including a MacBook into a price point as you’ll have/need one anyway to load samples and such on to the DJS. Ableton + Traktor + Push and you get more bang for your buck. Pioneer are going backwards. DJ’s are being more creative nowadays with analog gear, Xone K2’s, Model 1 and Push.
It can’t sample by itself? It’s discutible the necessity of cdj for full songs but I understood this unit could sample from its own inputs… isn’t it?
This from the description…
Live Sampling
Easily sample input sounds and immediately use them as individual tracks. The sampled sounds are automatically synchronised with the current sequence to play in a loop, so they can be dropped straight into a live remix. You can sample any input source, including audio from a turntable, via your mixer.
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This from Mark (djworx, since I’m not sure if we are discussing this there or at djtechtools thanks to wonderuk disqus xD)
“To be clear — it’s not a rekordbox device, nor does it need a computer to work. It is an entirely standalone unit (well… it needs a power point), something that allows it to bridge various workflows. I did wonder how this would interface with rekordbox, but it’s clear that it doesn’t. It does however work with Toraiz files, and will have its very own project and scene creator called DJS-TSP coming soon. Is it just me, or does that sound like the start of a Pioneer DJ DAW?”
So no, you don’t need a computer. So yes, it makes sense put it in the total price. So yes, this try to be an alternative.
So then you’ll have to include a turntable or a CDJ just to sample?? Most people will have a laptop over the the other 2 mentioned. There’s no point including any of those, just the device itself and the devices it’s up against.
Not necessary but useful, that’s the point. Anyone can sample from smartphone at last…
The point is: You don’t need to have a computer to sample into this. If you have any sound source you can make it work (from simple smartphone to complete Pioneer setup and computer djing included)
You may consider firstly this is not focused toward Ableton djs directly, it’s more in the field of Maschine/Remix decks. Obviously you can get more from your buck with computer setup than this and even more from iPad setup but maybe you don’t consider it serious like Pioneer regular users don’t consider serious laptop djing and demand for standalone unit. We can discuss about profitability but let’s be fair about statements. This can be used withou computer and for some non-computer djs could be seen as “cheap” than laptop based setup. These could have cheaper cdjs at home like 900 (or even old) and could consider add tools like this to improve their remixing tools and keep themselves far from computers (you know like mpc fans)
Said that I’m agree about overpriced setup Pioneer proposal but I think the same about laptop djing. I can do more with my iPad setup (cheaper by itself than single computer without extras) than this unit (with Launchpad app as example) includding some realtime video. Obviously the results and variables (like audio interface) balance the prices on one side or another. Also regular Pioneer djs don’t want to setup too much or risk to computer freeze situation. It’s a matter of POV and perspective.
In my situation I can live without maxforlive (even I contributed as most as I could to merge old turntable paradigm into Ableton paradigm) and even without turntable-like controllers (jogs or whatever) and going further even computer (meaning laptop/desktop) paradigm going full iOS setup. It’s not perfect, it’s not side to side powerful to Pioneer setup or computer setup but gives me 90% of I needed from computer based setup and some amount of % that any other tool can deliver 100%.
I can call dumb others to didn’t see how worthy is my experience but that only will be a sign of my dumbest heliocentricity since it’s worthy to me… but probably not for you and surely not worthy for everyone. 😉
So keep ourselves positive and let’s see how we can get profit from this Pioneer release… ATM the old (and more featured unit) Sp16 is lowering its price. More sampler in the market should make lower other old units (like Roland SP/Mc series or even Akai mpcs) so if this gets proper acceptance could mean cheaper units in the second hand market near future… we can rant over how overpriced this unit is from the perspective we will not buy Pioneer unit never… or encourage others to buy them, as far as they show interest on them, and help them buying their obsolete (and wonderful and useful) samplers.
Roland Sp555 and MC909 are around 400€ in my area and launchpad mk2 and pro under 200€… :drool:
I’ll bet the next update to rekordbox will include support for the DJS-1000
Honestly, this is too expensive without much justification. Kinda gimmicky as well. I’ll pass.