• Harris Chee

    I manually change the chords to camelot system keys..u can do it in the info tab..but i reckon pioneer shud change the key from musical chords to some system…its kinda hard to have the circl of fifths in ur head… Just my opinion..

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  • Darryl Rees

    Hey thanks for the video, I use both rekordbox and serato DJ and when I change the key number from 1A to 01A in rekordbox it changes the key number in serato DJ. Is there a way to prevent this changing in serato DJ because the key colour is not recognised as 01A one 1A, 2A, 3A etc. Thanks in advance.

  • DJMilosz

    a big issue is that not all software gives you the same results meaning that some of it mus bs incorrect. in around 60-70% of tracks Beatport and MiK will not give the same key, many times rekorbox indicates even a third different key. this is where you must your ear: choose a track where you are sure what the key is and then mix the other track into it. by switching basslines you should be in most cases easily able to tell whether it’s the same key or not 🙂

  • Andrew Brook

    If your using CDJ 2000 Nxs why deviate from the built in key detection and harmonic suggestions on the decks. Much easier that converting everything. There’s also an App called Harmonic Mix which simplifys the next key choice energy boost etc in a very simple tool.

  • Craig Forrest

    hi guys, playing for the first time on the nexus next week at a club. Tracks have been processed in mixed in key first and now in rekordbox all is well. Can i ask does the traffic light system work for just tracks in same key and plus 1/2 or is does it match further keys eg. let’s say your in 1A, will it suggest 2A, 3A, 8A, 5A &10A which are all compatable? or will it just select 2a & 3a. Also in rekordbox when clicking the match tracks button does this then transfer over to the cdjs so when your track is plating you have a list of your own matched tracks? Thanks in advance

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  • tony

    I have both CDJ900 and CDJ900NXS. On the older 900, when I go to USB > key it shows up A7 B7 etc etc as per the overwritten keys. This matches rekordbox software on the laptop, where I highlighted the keys and replaced them with the codes from the camelot wheel. When I access the music on the 900NXS and go to USB > key it shows all the musical keys (not camelot codes). I can’t see an easy way to view the keys on the tracks so you can sort by camelot key code on the NXS.. the old 900 is fine. Any ideas?

  • Ad77

    I’ve use MIK for 5 years now. It’s good for harmonic mixing and good to remember other keys which are non harmonic that go well with each other. Be careful mixing your entire set in key or gradual key changes, your DJ set can sound boring. These are some different examples of keys that go well together from MIK…
    11A goes with 7A.
    10A goes with 6A.
    4A goes with 1A.
    All these you will notice they won’t loose energy and your sets will sound more fun.

  • Hey, I did this: http://vogelmann.me/the-ultimate-harmonic-mixing-composing-chart/

    Maybe it’s useful for one or the other. 🙂

  • Denis Krotov

    You, guys, forgot about MixMeister, it’s old, but also finds keys, and does it very quick and correct

    • BoldFaceType

      One again everybody forgets to mention that MixVibes Cross is the only dj software that is fully compatible with Rekordbox. That means you can transfer everything you do in Cross to RB with a single click. Works every time. MV Cross uses KeyFinder which is second only to MIK in accuracy. Cross also makes beat-grids, and placing hot-cues and loops accurate and easy, because their keyboard shortcuts are much more comprehensive than RB. All that information: cues, grid-adjustments, loops, and especially camelot notation, gets transferred flawlessly to RB with a single click. If you’re using pioneer gear and RB, MixVibes Cross is worth having just to prep your tracks.

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  • troublestarter

    every time i read about the Camelot wheel, my blood boils.

    whilst the camelot wheel is a neat idea, i don’t think its the kind of thing that should be copyrightable, it’s just the circle of fifths translated into an easy to remember notation. its not patentable precisely because not a real innovation, an elegant idea yes, something that needs the protection of the law, no.

    if you don’t know anything about music, print out the circle of fifths and stick it on the wall next to you decks, you’ll have it memorized in a week.

    sure keep a trademark on the name “camelot wheel”, if that boosts you ego, but don’t go around pretending you invented the circle of fifths. you could even insist that software and hardware that uses it displays the camelot logo, but the veiled threat of lawsuits is despicable. especially against open source projects.

    • Phatscout

      Dude the Camelot wheel is just a really quick way to glance over shit during a mix. Honestly, I know your going to say I’m “dum” because I’d prefer looking at my library to mix a 8A track to a 9A track rather than from A Minor to D Minor, but it’s just quicker DURING THE CONTEXT OF A MIX to think about the numbers rather than the keys.

      Yes, I do believe anyone really worth their salt needs to learn about musical keys, and it is BS that the Camelot Wheel is just a MIK trademark but hey, its a quick to use notation.

      • In fact, Mark Davis at Camelot Sound is the originator of the Camelot system, not Mixed in Key.

        • Mark Davis

          Indeed! I designed the Easymix System (aka “Camelot Wheel”) in 1991, and transferred the copyright to MIK.

          • SC

            Thanks! It’s been brilliant for me over the years.

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  • zzzuperfly

    It’s pretty depressing that neither the traktor nor the pioneer crew knows how you sort a list properly.I have been at mik to get me tools to add that zero.

    • Marco Hooghuis

      Not just them, Microsoft is guilty as well.

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  • Cameron Daboll

    I don’t think this works with the latest version of MIK and Rekordbox. It’s a known issue that when you load the tracks to your CDJs (900nxs in my case) the key, even though Camelot system in my rekordbox collection, still shows as traditional keys on the CDJ. If there’s a way around here, it would be great to learn.

    • Camel Tow

      Thank you for bringing this up! I’m curious myself.

    • Mojaxx

      At what point did you analyse with MIK – before, or after, adding your tracks to RB?

      I analysed all mine prior to adding them to my RB library, and as you can see from the video, my Camelot codes show up just fine with my CDJ2KNs – that’s with RB 3.1 and MIK 6.

      It sounds like maybe RB’s database isn’t respecting the overwritten keys… Strange.

      • Camel Tow

        I analyze my tracks in MIK, then add them to iTunes, rename them correctly, and then drag them to RB. Is the MIK playlist something you create, or does it somehow automatically show up for you?

        • Mojaxx

          It all just shows up for me automatically.

          I read those threads from the Pioneer forum, so I get what’s happening, but I’m afraid I’ve not experienced the issue so I don’t really have any other suggestions. Sorry!

    • Cameron Daboll

      I always analyze keys before adding to RB with MIK. Once I analyze the track, I import to RB (with key detection off). If the keys don’t come in on the import, a right click and reload tags usually solves it. They all come in with the Camelot system, only an issue when you load it to the CDJ.

    • b

      i have cdj 900 nxs to, but i came from traktor..i still want to use traktor occasionally, so what i do is this : when i buy new music, i have mik analyze it…then i import into traktor for prep work (grids,cues,loops,edit tag etc) then i use rekordbuddy to sync to rekordbox. you can set your prefs so that miks key notation is visible in rekordbox on the cdjs. it works like a charm for me!

  • Robert Wulfman

    If you’re like me and you’re primarily a Traktor DJ and your files are already tagged with the open key notation, when you get to rekordbox simply change the m to A and the d to B. This won’t actually match up with the camelot notation but it’s rare that you will ever really need it to and you can always convert from open key to camelot by either moving down 5 or by going across the wheel and up one.

  • killmedj

    Nice one brother!

  • Richard Weston

    Yet another great article from my favorite blogging site! I used MIK for ages to mix harmonically. For some reason, the last 6 months I have stopped analyzing or looking at keys when mixing, maybe my ears have finally got used to what sounds good harmonically due to the many years of having the Camelot notation at my disposal or maybe I just don’t realize how bad it sounds haha.

    Sorry to be pedantic but MixedInKey didn’t invent the Camelot system. They own the rights to it but a guy called Mark Davis (https://www.linkedin.com/pub/mark-davis/52/9b6/637) invented it!

    • Mojaxx

      I was not aware of that fact, I’ll get that changed when the guys in San Fran wake up!

      Having used Traktor’s key analysis so much over the last year, I’ve actually trained myself to kind of ignore it; so often I would load a track and just think “this isn’t working”. But I kept using it to analyse, as it removed one step from my library admin.

      Now I’ve gone back to MIK, as I’m more multi-platform again, I’m reminded how useful key analysis can be when it’s actually mostly correct… 😉

      • Richard Weston

        Simply put; it’s amazing and a key tool!

      • Oddie O’Phyle

        been thinking of buying MIK too, key analysis software has really been a time saver. i remember the old days when putting together a 1hr set would take 4-6 hours of prep.

    • axelv

      even the Camelot system is just a fancy copy of a older system 🙂 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths

    • Mark Davis

      Thanks for the correction, Richard! I invented the “Camelot Wheel” as the Camelot Easymix System in 1991, and now offer a 75,000 record musician-keyed database at camelotsound.com. I sold the rights to the “Camelot Wheel” to MIK a few years.

      • tony corless

        I was just going to mention the same,how you doing Mark? long time no speak,still got 2 massive copies of your database here .Hope you are well.

        • Mark Davis

          Aloha! If you would like free trial access to our online database, please email camelot@gte.net

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