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A Closer Look at… Max For Live

Many of you use Ableton Live to DJ because of its flexibility, but conversely many of you have tried it and been turned off by its limitations in some aspects. Max For Live promises to turn the Live experience into a near infinitely expandable tool, delivering the faculties to do more or less anything you want inside Ableton’s already highly adjustable DAW.

THE FIXER

First things first, let’s take a look at how one of the biggest names in professional DJing uses Max For Live in his performance. Richie Hawtin has a Max For Live device that allows him to save Live sets in their entirety as patches, and switch between them on the fly.

One of the biggest shortcomings of Live from a DJing perspective is its inability to play its audio backwards, and so it stands to reason that one of the most exciting Max For Live patches is the Ms Pinky Revised patch from Scott Wardle. Scott designed Ms Pinky, the long standing indie DVS system, within Max/MSP; he’s thus been able to transfer the concepts he developed into Live and create scratchable Live clips. You’ll need Ms Pinky and a healthy like for manual setup to give it a go (Ms Pinky vinyl and standalone software can be picked up from mspinky.com), but it’s a proof of concept that if you were hoping that The Bridge would integrate Scratch Live and Live a little better when it came to scratching, you definitely need to give a try!

COMMUNITY

There’s a general community and DIY bent to Max For Live. The beauty of a Max For Live solution is that it can be created with a very specific focus – so rather than watering down a concept to provide passable functionality for a lot of users, it can be perfect for a few. Very few Max For Live devices could be seen as well rounded commercial products in their own right, but they combine proof of concept with indie sensibilities to provide solutions. With that in mind, it’s also ideally suited to collaborative and iterative work.

Scott tells us: “I’ve created a toolbox of add-on code objects to the M4L environment that are specially targeted for DJ’s. […] Users are free to take what I’ve created [after purchase] as just a starting point in making new devices that could also scratch video, for example, or combine scratching with synthesis and MIDI processing in some new fashion which I the developer could never imagine.”

The premier website for Max For Live devices and collaborations, maxforlive.com, is a thriving site with iteratively developed devices appearing all the time and an active community.

MORE THAN SKIN DEEP

Max For Live integrates directly into Live’s API, which gives us direct control over Live’s actual capabilities as opposed to the GUI layer. This means we can do things we can’t do in Live alone, such as access the clip titles. We spoke to Dennis Fischer, DJ and product specialist at Ableton who along with DJing partner Jeff Milligan has developed a set up which uses Max For Live to tie everything together, including some creative solutions to DJing and performing:

“We use Mixed in Key to pre-analyse the tracks, then have a Max For Live device that takes the Mixed in Key information and switches a scale plugin to let everything that’s MIDI in the set automatically match the key of the tracks we play. That’s pretty cool because you don’t have to worry about keys any more.”

“When I first achieved what I wanted to do, it opened up a whole world of possibilities” Dennis Fischer, Ableton Product Specialist

Dennis also has some advice about how to approach learning Max For Live: “When you want to build something you should have a project in mind, like ‘I want to build an FX sequencer’, or something. Then it’s pretty easy to learn, because you want to achieve something. The tutorials are pretty good, but without a project in mind it’s harder to learn.”

He continues, “The first thing I wanted to do with Max For Live was build the functionality to use my MIDI controller to scroll up and down in the browser and load presets. It’s not possible with just Live because it’s all keyboard shortcuts, but with Max For Live and the aka.keyboard extension I just had a MIDI converter to keyboard shortcuts. When I first achieved what I wanted to do, it opened up a whole world of possibilities.”

THE DECIDER

The ‘point’ of Max For Live isn’t to provide off the shelf expansions to Live, it’s to enable the experimental, adventurous and visionary to personalise, tweak and turn a piece of software that mostly fits their needs into one that plays to their every whim. If that sounds like you (maybe you’re the guy who spends more time messing with Traktor Pro modifiers than with the decks themselves!), then Max For Live could be right up your street. If you’re a “switch on and make the best of it” kind of person… maybe less so. In any case, there’s a free 30 day trial of Max For Live to allow you to make up your own mind.

What devices would you like to make in Max For Live – or if you already have, or have favourites, what are they? Let us know in the comments!

Handy Links:

Ableton’s Max For Live page (including free trial)

Maxforlive.com (the Max For Live devices repository)

Mspinky.com (Vinyl control within Live)

  • BeatGridStudios.com

    I love Ableton and MAX.  I use it for my end productions and life set recordings with Only modular gear with cv to midi Both ways 😉

  • BeatGridStudios.com

    I love Ableton and MAX.  I use it for my end productions and life set recordings with Only modular gear with cv to midi Both ways 😉

  • JuanSOLO

    I drives me nuts when informative articles are posted here that have some very misleading, or poorly explained details that are important to get the verbiage right, so those interested can actually understand.

    Ableton Live, CAN play audio backwards. Granted, you cant backspin a track like you can with Traktor, but you can reverse the audio. ALSO there are a few M4L devices that emulate tape stops, or winding down audio like a deck coming to a stop, as well as some beatmashing reveser effects.

    After the Ms Pinky M4L device came out, a revised edition was posted along with a video with a misleading title saying you could “scratch clips” in Live. This is far from the truth. The Ms Pinky M4L device does not actually “scratch clips” as every one hoped the Bridge would offer. The Pinky device just uses a “highlighted clip’s” name to search for the audio file in a dedicated folder, and loads it into the Pinky device. It’s not actually playing the clip you view in Ableton. You could use a BLANK clip in Ableton, even a midi clip, as long as it has the same name as the audio file you are trying to access in the dedicated Pinky folder. So Ableton Live using Ms Pinky just turns Live into a giant Browser for Ms Pinky. When using 2 decks of Ms Pinky in Live, and you have THOUSANDS of tracks, and you keep them in seperate folders, and Ms Pinky is trying to look one up, It will have a short hiccup affecting BOTH DECKS. This is very frustrating and makes Pinky unbearable to me. HOWEVER, the workaround is not to have sub folders and prior to playing a DJset, only load the tracks your going to use in your Pinky audio folder.. 

    I spent a whole year exclusively using the Ms Pinky M4L Device, and did a lot of custom work on it, with lots of help from others. It’s not that Ms Pinky is not capable, it’s just not AS capable when it comes to very basic stuff like CUE Points and Looping. Granted you can customize it to do thins Traktor and Serato, cannot, but it lacks some basics.

    I am specifically talking about the M4L version of Ms Pinky, not the standalone. I am in no way bashing the device, I love it , still use it from time to time, and it’s a lot of fun. I just want to contribute some clarity about what it does not offer that always gets overlooked, unwritten about, or continues to project a misleading feature “clip scratching.”

  • JuanSOLO

    I drives me nuts when informative articles are posted here that have some very misleading, or poorly explained details that are important to get the verbiage right, so those interested can actually understand.

    Ableton Live, CAN play audio backwards. Granted, you cant backspin a track like you can with Traktor, but you can reverse the audio. ALSO there are a few M4L devices that emulate tape stops, or winding down audio like a deck coming to a stop, as well as some beatmashing reveser effects.

    After the Ms Pinky M4L device came out, a revised edition was posted along with a video with a misleading title saying you could “scratch clips” in Live. This is far from the truth. The Ms Pinky M4L device does not actually “scratch clips” as every one hoped the Bridge would offer. The Pinky device just uses a “highlighted clip’s” name to search for the audio file in a dedicated folder, and loads it into the Pinky device. It’s not actually playing the clip you view in Ableton. You could use a BLANK clip in Ableton, even a midi clip, as long as it has the same name as the audio file you are trying to access in the dedicated Pinky folder. So Ableton Live using Ms Pinky just turns Live into a giant Browser for Ms Pinky. When using 2 decks of Ms Pinky in Live, and you have THOUSANDS of tracks, and you keep them in seperate folders, and Ms Pinky is trying to look one up, It will have a short hiccup affecting BOTH DECKS. This is very frustrating and makes Pinky unbearable to me. HOWEVER, the workaround is not to have sub folders and prior to playing a DJset, only load the tracks your going to use in your Pinky audio folder.. 

    I spent a whole year exclusively using the Ms Pinky M4L Device, and did a lot of custom work on it, with lots of help from others. It’s not that Ms Pinky is not capable, it’s just not AS capable when it comes to very basic stuff like CUE Points and Looping. Granted you can customize it to do thins Traktor and Serato, cannot, but it lacks some basics.

    I am specifically talking about the M4L version of Ms Pinky, not the standalone. I am in no way bashing the device, I love it , still use it from time to time, and it’s a lot of fun. I just want to contribute some clarity about what it does not offer that always gets overlooked, unwritten about, or continues to project a misleading feature “clip scratching.”

  • JuanSOLO

    I drives me nuts when informative articles are posted here that have some very misleading, or poorly explained details that are important to get the verbiage right, so those interested can actually understand.

    Ableton Live, CAN play audio backwards. Granted, you cant backspin a track like you can with Traktor, but you can reverse the audio. ALSO there are a few M4L devices that emulate tape stops, or winding down audio like a deck coming to a stop, as well as some beatmashing reveser effects.

    After the Ms Pinky M4L device came out, a revised edition was posted along with a video with a misleading title saying you could “scratch clips” in Live. This is far from the truth. The Ms Pinky M4L device does not actually “scratch clips” as every one hoped the Bridge would offer. The Pinky device just uses a “highlighted clip’s” name to search for the audio file in a dedicated folder, and loads it into the Pinky device. It’s not actually playing the clip you view in Ableton. You could use a BLANK clip in Ableton, even a midi clip, as long as it has the same name as the audio file you are trying to access in the dedicated Pinky folder. So Ableton Live using Ms Pinky just turns Live into a giant Browser for Ms Pinky. When using 2 decks of Ms Pinky in Live, and you have THOUSANDS of tracks, and you keep them in seperate folders, and Ms Pinky is trying to look one up, It will have a short hiccup affecting BOTH DECKS. This is very frustrating and makes Pinky unbearable to me. HOWEVER, the workaround is not to have sub folders and prior to playing a DJset, only load the tracks your going to use in your Pinky audio folder.. 

    I spent a whole year exclusively using the Ms Pinky M4L Device, and did a lot of custom work on it, with lots of help from others. It’s not that Ms Pinky is not capable, it’s just not AS capable when it comes to very basic stuff like CUE Points and Looping. Granted you can customize it to do thins Traktor and Serato, cannot, but it lacks some basics.

    I am specifically talking about the M4L version of Ms Pinky, not the standalone. I am in no way bashing the device, I love it , still use it from time to time, and it’s a lot of fun. I just want to contribute some clarity about what it does not offer that always gets overlooked, unwritten about, or continues to project a misleading feature “clip scratching.”

  • Erik Ev_L

    It’s cool that Ms Pinky actually took The Bridge concept and makes it work with DVS, I play alot of my own material and that helps tremendously with an actual live dj set. I can see where a lot of people wouldn’t need this type of post however it’s great that it’s here, I’d rather read it on a reputable site than some kid who just messes around in his basement in-between PS3 games.

    Here’s a question for Cartledge: M-Audio originally licensed Ms Pinky to create Torq. Does that mean older versions of Torq (ie 1.5) can use the Ms Pinky M4L patch?

  • Erik Ev_L

    It’s cool that Ms Pinky actually took The Bridge concept and makes it work with DVS, I play alot of my own material and that helps tremendously with an actual live dj set. I can see where a lot of people wouldn’t need this type of post however it’s great that it’s here, I’d rather read it on a reputable site than some kid who just messes around in his basement in-between PS3 games.

    Here’s a question for Cartledge: M-Audio originally licensed Ms Pinky to create Torq. Does that mean older versions of Torq (ie 1.5) can use the Ms Pinky M4L patch?

  • Erik Ev_L

    It’s cool that Ms Pinky actually took The Bridge concept and makes it work with DVS, I play alot of my own material and that helps tremendously with an actual live dj set. I can see where a lot of people wouldn’t need this type of post however it’s great that it’s here, I’d rather read it on a reputable site than some kid who just messes around in his basement in-between PS3 games.

    Here’s a question for Cartledge: M-Audio originally licensed Ms Pinky to create Torq. Does that mean older versions of Torq (ie 1.5) can use the Ms Pinky M4L patch?

  • Maxforliveruntime

    MFL still does not have enough patches out there for non programmers to warrant it being anything but for programmers.

    max runtime in ableton 9 is a rumor that would be great to come true.  Or mfl being bundled with 9

  • Maxforliveruntime

    MFL still does not have enough patches out there for non programmers to warrant it being anything but for programmers.

    max runtime in ableton 9 is a rumor that would be great to come true.  Or mfl being bundled with 9

  • Maxforliveruntime

    MFL still does not have enough patches out there for non programmers to warrant it being anything but for programmers.

    max runtime in ableton 9 is a rumor that would be great to come true.  Or mfl being bundled with 9

    • Aaron Zilch

      Seriously? They have pretty much come out with devices to do everything I ever wanted (free form sidechaining, LFOs, Granular Sampler, Buffer Shuffler, tons of randomizers and generative stuff, step sequencing for the APC). They didn’t do the best job promoting what was out there in the past but seem to be rectifying that in a big way lately. But a runtime would be awesome, even if it cost a few bucks.

  • The limitations for DJs in Ableton are overcome with M4L. It’s THE most customizable software for DJing, period, and M4L is the way. In fact there are TOO many ways to use Max to DJ but here are a couple I have used: SevenUp Monome (awsome), Ms Pinky (awesome), Live Clip Chopper 34, Pitch Drop, Omni Looper, Bounds, Beat Fader and my FAVORITE Octop4d.

  • The limitations for DJs in Ableton are overcome with M4L. It’s THE most customizable software for DJing, period, and M4L is the way. In fact there are TOO many ways to use Max to DJ but here are a couple I have used: SevenUp Monome (awsome), Ms Pinky (awesome), Live Clip Chopper 34, Pitch Drop, Omni Looper, Bounds, Beat Fader and my FAVORITE Octop4d.

  • The limitations for DJs in Ableton are overcome with M4L. It’s THE most customizable software for DJing, period, and M4L is the way. In fact there are TOO many ways to use Max to DJ but here are a couple I have used: SevenUp Monome (awsome), Ms Pinky (awesome), Live Clip Chopper 34, Pitch Drop, Omni Looper, Bounds, Beat Fader and my FAVORITE Octop4d.

  • I’d rather seen an in depth feature on the ms pinky m4l device, the rich hawtin thing is cool but you allude to him being able to “save Live sets in their entirety as patches, and switch between them on the fly” when he is simply recalling snapshots of presets for instruments and devices which is very cool but not switching between live sets….

    From a DJing perspective Ableton has a few shortcomings mainly in the looping arena, i agree with not being able to play sound backwards but it’s not a burning desire of many Ableton players…. MLR style shuffling will come with improvements to the software and we’ve already seen great leaps forward in both quality of the program and the devices that have become available…

    Basically M4L can replicate many of the features of Traktor and Serato and join them with the Ableton methodology of playing tracks, add to this powerful audio manipulation and you’ve only just started to scratch the surface…

    Cheers
    D

  • I’d rather seen an in depth feature on the ms pinky m4l device, the rich hawtin thing is cool but you allude to him being able to “save Live sets in their entirety as patches, and switch between them on the fly” when he is simply recalling snapshots of presets for instruments and devices which is very cool but not switching between live sets….

    From a DJing perspective Ableton has a few shortcomings mainly in the looping arena, i agree with not being able to play sound backwards but it’s not a burning desire of many Ableton players…. MLR style shuffling will come with improvements to the software and we’ve already seen great leaps forward in both quality of the program and the devices that have become available…

    Basically M4L can replicate many of the features of Traktor and Serato and join them with the Ableton methodology of playing tracks, add to this powerful audio manipulation and you’ve only just started to scratch the surface…

    Cheers
    D

  • I’d rather seen an in depth feature on the ms pinky m4l device, the rich hawtin thing is cool but you allude to him being able to “save Live sets in their entirety as patches, and switch between them on the fly” when he is simply recalling snapshots of presets for instruments and devices which is very cool but not switching between live sets….

    From a DJing perspective Ableton has a few shortcomings mainly in the looping arena, i agree with not being able to play sound backwards but it’s not a burning desire of many Ableton players…. MLR style shuffling will come with improvements to the software and we’ve already seen great leaps forward in both quality of the program and the devices that have become available…

    Basically M4L can replicate many of the features of Traktor and Serato and join them with the Ableton methodology of playing tracks, add to this powerful audio manipulation and you’ve only just started to scratch the surface…

    Cheers
    D

    • Paul Montgomery

      Check out Darren’s Isotonik Device, it is awesome. http://darrencowley.blogspot.com/

       You don’t have to be an m4l coding, patching… genius to use it. I use it for djing and it is great! All of the flexibility and precision of ableton, the ability to play stems of any size, record your own loop with ableton’s instruments all in a dj set. I personally find Traktor’s effects very imprecise, using live you have so much more control and Isotonik covers the ground for almost all of the ways that ableton is clunky as a dj’s device.Now if only we could ever get id3 tag support and a catalogue system that would support finding songs on the fly like Traktor is so good at.Could m4l help with this?

      • Thanks Paul!!

        Agreed, the main reason i use Serato is the ability to quickly search for track spontaneously, i can warp on the fly no problem but i’d rather not have itunes open whilst i’m playing live….
        I fully expect this issue to be addressed with Live 9

        Cheers
        D

      • Thanks Paul!!

        Agreed, the main reason i use Serato is the ability to quickly search for track spontaneously, i can warp on the fly no problem but i’d rather not have itunes open whilst i’m playing live….
        I fully expect this issue to be addressed with Live 9

        Cheers
        D

      • Thanks Paul!!

        Agreed, the main reason i use Serato is the ability to quickly search for track spontaneously, i can warp on the fly no problem but i’d rather not have itunes open whilst i’m playing live….
        I fully expect this issue to be addressed with Live 9

        Cheers
        D

    • Paul Montgomery

      Check out Darren’s Isotonik Device, it is awesome. http://darrencowley.blogspot.com/

       You don’t have to be an m4l coding, patching… genius to use it. I use it for djing and it is great! All of the flexibility and precision of ableton, the ability to play stems of any size, record your own loop with ableton’s instruments all in a dj set. I personally find Traktor’s effects very imprecise, using live you have so much more control and Isotonik covers the ground for almost all of the ways that ableton is clunky as a dj’s device.Now if only we could ever get id3 tag support and a catalogue system that would support finding songs on the fly like Traktor is so good at.Could m4l help with this?

    • Paul Montgomery

      Check out Darren’s Isotonik Device, it is awesome. http://darrencowley.blogspot.com/

       You don’t have to be an m4l coding, patching… genius to use it. I use it for djing and it is great! All of the flexibility and precision of ableton, the ability to play stems of any size, record your own loop with ableton’s instruments all in a dj set. I personally find Traktor’s effects very imprecise, using live you have so much more control and Isotonik covers the ground for almost all of the ways that ableton is clunky as a dj’s device.Now if only we could ever get id3 tag support and a catalogue system that would support finding songs on the fly like Traktor is so good at.Could m4l help with this?

  • goldenklo

    The steep learning curve of max for live is eased a bit by downloading free patches, and putting them together in ways that combine multiple, or just arbitrarily adding new controls to the effect, instrument, etc.  I’m kind of a fan of the buffer shuffler

  • goldenklo

    The steep learning curve of max for live is eased a bit by downloading free patches, and putting them together in ways that combine multiple, or just arbitrarily adding new controls to the effect, instrument, etc.  I’m kind of a fan of the buffer shuffler

  • goldenklo

    The steep learning curve of max for live is eased a bit by downloading free patches, and putting them together in ways that combine multiple, or just arbitrarily adding new controls to the effect, instrument, etc.  I’m kind of a fan of the buffer shuffler

  • Anonymous

    With all due respect, if the next blog post isn’t about the MF pro mappings then i’m gonna quite music entirely and become an accountant for the IRS

  • Anonymous

    With all due respect, if the next blog post isn’t about the MF pro mappings then i’m gonna quite music entirely and become an accountant for the IRS

    • right there wit ya bro…. im tired of readin bout stuff i dont have/work with.

      • There are so many diverse ways to DJ one would think that by learning about them it would help you improve your own capacity as a DJ. Why isn’t this the case?

        • Anonymous

          For the record I am a very avid Live user. I fell in love with this software way before I had traktor and I still use it most of the time. I’m just expressing how impatient I can be 😉 Bomb article by the way

        • Anonymous

          For the record I am a very avid Live user. I fell in love with this software way before I had traktor and I still use it most of the time. I’m just expressing how impatient I can be 😉 Bomb article by the way

      • There are so many diverse ways to DJ one would think that by learning about them it would help you improve your own capacity as a DJ. Why isn’t this the case?

      • There are so many diverse ways to DJ one would think that by learning about them it would help you improve your own capacity as a DJ. Why isn’t this the case?

    • right there wit ya bro…. im tired of readin bout stuff i dont have/work with.

    • right there wit ya bro…. im tired of readin bout stuff i dont have/work with.

  • I am not sure about this one as there seems to be a massive setup involved. Richie Hawtin has a team to help with that. I will stick to decks.

  • guest2

    i dont think they mentioned it or maybe im wrong,but i think u have to have Max/MSP ($500) + M4L crossgrade ($100) to use M4L patches in Ableton.And really u dont need M4L,u jus need Max/MSP.Although M4L is great for noobs to Max

  • guest2

    i dont think they mentioned it or maybe im wrong,but i think u have to have Max/MSP ($500) + M4L crossgrade ($100) to use M4L patches in Ableton.And really u dont need M4L,u jus need Max/MSP.Although M4L is great for noobs to Max

    • This is not correct. You only need ableton + m4l to run them and edit them.

      If you have maxmsp, you could implement Jitter too inside Live (I’m not sure if they finally opened to every m4l user…)

    • This is not correct. You only need ableton + m4l to run them and edit them.

      If you have maxmsp, you could implement Jitter too inside Live (I’m not sure if they finally opened to every m4l user…)

    • This is not correct. You only need ableton + m4l to run them and edit them.

      If you have maxmsp, you could implement Jitter too inside Live (I’m not sure if they finally opened to every m4l user…)

    • MAKS_Demon

      Every tried to sequence in Max? I built tracks using coll and metros and more gates than i can count hah, bottom line is that max timing SUCKS so if u want to ride the crest between mad scientist (Max/MSP) and clean cut musician (DAW) then you actually can benefit greatly from this merger. Just got into it…can’t stand Live as DAW but nothing is perfect (coming from DP4 it seems really rigid).

    • MAKS_Demon

      Every tried to sequence in Max? I built tracks using coll and metros and more gates than i can count hah, bottom line is that max timing SUCKS so if u want to ride the crest between mad scientist (Max/MSP) and clean cut musician (DAW) then you actually can benefit greatly from this merger. Just got into it…can’t stand Live as DAW but nothing is perfect (coming from DP4 it seems really rigid).

    • MAKS_Demon

      Every tried to sequence in Max? I built tracks using coll and metros and more gates than i can count hah, bottom line is that max timing SUCKS so if u want to ride the crest between mad scientist (Max/MSP) and clean cut musician (DAW) then you actually can benefit greatly from this merger. Just got into it…can’t stand Live as DAW but nothing is perfect (coming from DP4 it seems really rigid).

    • MAKS_Demon

      Every tried to sequence in Max? I built tracks using coll and metros and more gates than i can count hah, bottom line is that max timing SUCKS so if u want to ride the crest between mad scientist (Max/MSP) and clean cut musician (DAW) then you actually can benefit greatly from this merger. Just got into it…can’t stand Live as DAW but nothing is perfect (coming from DP4 it seems really rigid).

  • Cool. I like Ableton.

  • Cool. I like Ableton.

  • Cool. I like Ableton.

  • “One of the biggest shortcomings of Live from a DJing perspective is its inability to play its audio backwards”
    Uh, I never really felt the urge to play a tune backwards. Is that just me?

    • Photojojo

      I think that’s from a scratching standpoint.

    • Photojojo

      I think that’s from a scratching standpoint.

    • Photojojo

      I think that’s from a scratching standpoint.

  • What’s the Max Device that Dennis Fischer and Jeff Milligan use with Mixed in Key?

  • What’s the Max Device that Dennis Fischer and Jeff Milligan use with Mixed in Key?

  • What’s the Max Device that Dennis Fischer and Jeff Milligan use with Mixed in Key?

  • I have respect for Ableton but I just can’t seem to get a feel for it in a creative way. I find it too fussy and computer-ish. Takes too long to do anything for me 🙁

  • I have respect for Ableton but I just can’t seem to get a feel for it in a creative way. I find it too fussy and computer-ish. Takes too long to do anything for me 🙁

    • yea same here although a bridge with Traktor would be cool 

    • yea same here although a bridge with Traktor would be cool 

    • yea same here although a bridge with Traktor would be cool 

    • well… yes and no.

      Max is pretty cool to add spice with loops and the fx are much better than traktor’s. (also multitrack recording)

      I would never dj on max, but use it regularly to add another level to my sets. Get an apc-40, it’s much easier with that.

      It’s a steep curve though that’s for sure.

    • well… yes and no.

      Max is pretty cool to add spice with loops and the fx are much better than traktor’s. (also multitrack recording)

      I would never dj on max, but use it regularly to add another level to my sets. Get an apc-40, it’s much easier with that.

      It’s a steep curve though that’s for sure.

    • well… yes and no.

      Max is pretty cool to add spice with loops and the fx are much better than traktor’s. (also multitrack recording)

      I would never dj on max, but use it regularly to add another level to my sets. Get an apc-40, it’s much easier with that.

      It’s a steep curve though that’s for sure.

  • guest

    if your interested into m4l subscribe to learnmax on youtube, that guy is full of knowledge.

  • guest

    if your interested into m4l subscribe to learnmax on youtube, that guy is full of knowledge.

  • guest

    if your interested into m4l subscribe to learnmax on youtube, that guy is full of knowledge.

  • ehh I stick to DVS… but no doubt this is cool too…

  • ehh I stick to DVS… but no doubt this is cool too…

  • ehh I stick to DVS… but no doubt this is cool too…